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Original Message                 Date: 29-Oct-02  @  03:50 PM   -   Quantisation Theory

Mr Bash

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Is the bass supposed to mirror the drums?

As in if I quantise my drum track to 16b in logic, then do I quantise my bass to 16b?

Also I find that if I quantise my drums to 16b and then try a quantisation of say 16c/16d for the percussion, it sound messy and stilted!

Is every thing supposed to be on the same swing or not?




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Message 11/47             31-Oct-02  @  05:35 PM   -   RE: Quantisation Theory

k

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why doncha post some mp3 audio of a beat which you feel has a problem - all it is is this:

yes, you can put things on ANY beat in a bar, 16th, 8th, whatever - BUt, if you had say a hat swinging at a quantise of say 16D (in Logic) and then your bassline had some notes offbeat but NOT in 16D swing, they will clash badly... you cant mix swings basicaly (or it'd be hard to make it work)

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Message 12/47             31-Oct-02  @  10:01 PM   -   RE: Quantisation Theory

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i'd say if you're beginning with swing and micro note placement, it's proly best to begin just with rigid quantisation and moving a whole track (ie. one sound) forward or back before moving certain beats.



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Message 13/47             31-Oct-02  @  11:28 PM   -   RE: Quantisation Theory

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interesting, xoxos...
You mean as in a "lets get acquainted with swing" mixer type thing?



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Message 14/47             02-Nov-02  @  06:38 PM   -   RE: Quantisation Theory

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"begin just with rigid quantisation and moving a whole track (ie. one sound) forward or back before moving certain beats."

thats exactly what i used to do. trust xoxos, he knows.



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Message 15/47             02-Nov-02  @  11:30 PM   -   RE: Quantisation Theory

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heh heh



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Message 16/47             29-Nov-02  @  04:21 AM   -   RE: Quantisation Theory

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swing should be used on swing music. it does not fit dance music at all.



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Message 17/47             29-Nov-02  @  09:01 AM   -   RE: Quantisation Theory

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sorry, essex, but that's just a bunch of bull.

psy



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Message 18/47             03-Dec-02  @  11:22 PM   -   RE: Quantisation Theory

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Essex, man the opposite is more the truth.
Swing came from Jazz, and Jazz is basically the foundation of most dance genres (house, d&b, breakz).



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Message 19/47             04-Dec-02  @  07:26 AM   -   RE: Quantisation Theory

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Just to clarify, just because the main beat doesn't swing doesn't mean that no supporting players can't. Some should, at least a bit, or your track's going to be boring as shit.

psy



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Message 20/47             05-Dec-02  @  07:49 PM   -   RE: Quantisation Theory

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I'll argue with that. That main beat shouldn't swing as you say... but at higher tempos, say hard trance, techno, psychedelic... swinging can eat up the energy! Especially a swinging beat! not so in breaks, to be sure, but driving beats are hard to fit a reasonable swing into.

I work with "essex" so i know that's what he means. But his melodies DO swing, and the basslines often do... just not the beats, and I agree, for that brand of music.

You could have been clearer, yo! hehehe

That said, swing is integral to the groove in downtempo, house etc... stuff meant to be more soulfull... (friggin adjectives!)

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