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Original Message 1/42             22-Feb-02  @  09:09 PM   -   tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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1) Insert a 2band eq or two in to the reverb chain to high and lowpass filter your reverbs. This cleans them up and they shimmer nicley.
2) #1 also works on delays
3)use a chorus/flanger as a splitter to make subrtactor synths have stereo out. select bypass. This will make #4 possible.
4)insert a delay into one channel of each stereo track. Alternate between delaying the left and right channels of all of your tracks, except the kick and bass, between 1-50ms. This will open up the mix and give new life and space to all your sounds. Works wonders on snares, pads, and hi-hats rolls giveing the last an auto pan effect you hear on Hybrid, Uberzone, etc. You may have two play with the wet dry mix on the drums. Solo out the track and get it right. Most synth parts work best 100% wet, but snares are trickier requiring 1-3ms, and %10-%50 wet.
5)to get thick unison synths , use 3-4 subtractors submixed to one mixer. Use two of the same osc on each subtractor. Sequence out your entire song, and then when you have the track with all filter tweaks done, copy the midi to the other two tracks, and copy the patch two the other two synths. If you make changes you will need to recopy the midi over and the patch over again.
6)Export some of your one hit sweeps and stabs. Load them into an editor like wavelab or soungeforge. reverse them, then load them back into an empry NN19 and assign them to a key. You can do this by hitting the file button at the top of the display window. Works great for creating reversed snares,hats, sweeps strings etc. I also loaded an 808 kick that I use for old school pitched kcik drum.
7)if yoiu have rebirth take advantage of loading those standard aiff files into a Redrum. They are locared in the propellorheads\modpacker\standard componants file. 909 kicks and hats never let me down.
8)For Sonar users,if you have a multi-channel sound card like a dspfactory, you can run Reason with Sonar. I use this for tracking vocals. You just select no audio in reason. launch Sonar, then select the directx driver in reason. Put those headphones on and set up you input buss to recieve audio from only the mic in and away you go, then load the vocals into a NN19 after they have been compressed using a waves RCL or other nice plug-in comp. You can sync reason to Sonar using Hubi's loopback virtual midi ports.

Goodluck. I will be posting up some very usfull subtractor patches in this thread. I encourage you to add your ideas and patches as well.



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Message 2/42             22-Feb-02  @  10:23 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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sound examples of reson in use are up on my home page.



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Message 3/42             22-Feb-02  @  11:08 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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good tips. a mate of mine uses most of them to a very good effect.

say, do you maybe know what phase modulation on Substractor does? is it something like ringmod? im trying to recreate a patch done in Reason on my uQ, but cant quite crack it... help appreciated.

cheers, M.



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Message 4/42             22-Feb-02  @  11:57 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

Brett B

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phase mod creates a double waveform by putting an identical wave next the original.the mode buttons moves the led up for add and down for minus, and middle is none. so you are adding the sum of the waves or subtracting the diferance bassed on the amount of the phase knob. The subtractor is capable of those thick double saw sounds as well as rounding out square waves. I really love this synth. I haven't found an analog sound I can't make with it.



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Message 5/42             23-Feb-02  @  10:10 AM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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mix_example.rns

I have recieved some e-mails requesting more info, here is the mixer set up I used on the house tune. Everything is the same including the patches,minus the music and automation data. Just go from sequecer track to track and build your own song. See how I set up the channel delays, reverb eq's, and patches etc. You need to have rebirth installed for it to find the kick drum and hats used.



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Message 6/42             25-Feb-02  @  09:30 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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don't use reason myself, but this a really usefull idea. keep it up, i say.



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Message 7/42             26-Feb-02  @  09:30 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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Got a new e-mail asking "how to get stereo in Reason" Good question because really what you are getting is "Big Mono", meaning there are two channels but they are the same. Before I mentioned using a delay inserted in one side to widen the mix. This works wonders but is reserved for mids and highs. Especially if you are going to vinyl. You see, the lathe can't cut an out of phase bass tone without damaging the record or tip. So to make sure you don't have this issue , monitor in mono and stereo on one speaker. If your bass changes then it is out of phase. A good example of this in my track "spores" (funky mold mix). A 303 bandpass line comes in in the middle. It sounds like it is jumping out of the speakers. This is out of phase and done intentionally, but would not be appropriate for vinyl. So to get true stereo , simply route your two cahnnels to the left input of two adjacent mixer channels. Now you can pan them independant of each other. Don't hard pan , start with 9:00 and 3:00, or variations ex-10:00 and 3:00 or 2:00 and 9:00. A good way the pro's mix is by getting it to sound good in stereo and then monitoring in mono on one speaker and nuging the pan in tiny increments to see if it pops out in the mix better. Also, only use the mono , left return on your reverb. Stereo reverb tends to muddy the mix. If you want to pan the reverb, run it back to a regular mixer channel instead of the fx return.



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Message 8/42             26-Feb-02  @  09:35 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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Pre-delay! A good reverb has it so you can make the dry and wet sound simaltainiusly. To do it in reason , insert a dely into the dry side of stereo channel and the reverb into the other. Set the delay to any amount wanted, now adjust you sequenced data to happen one earlier to match the amount of delay added.



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Message 9/42             26-Feb-02  @  09:42 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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Multing! this is a technique used to send groups to a compressor and then mix back with the uncompressed siganl. Start by connecting your one channel of your kick and snare to the left input of two mixer channels. Now run the other two right channels from the redrum into the inputs of a compressor, Compress the hell out of them and run the output back to the mixer and bring it up ever so lightly under the original non compressed kick and snare. The idea is to make that snare and kick pump underneath. This works on bass and vocals as well!



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Message 10/42             27-Feb-02  @  05:58 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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that's a damn good trick with the pre-delay. I never would have thought of that. I don't believe what they say about you, brett ;) I can't wait to try that. not that I'm so worried about predelay or anything.



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Message 11/42             27-Feb-02  @  11:37 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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I sat down and started thinking about features on fx, and how I mix on a console, and then I looked at what I had in Reason, and this is what I came up with. Now I read that you can use a matrix sequencer for syning lfo to midi. When I get it, I'll have it posted up here.



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Message 12/42             04-Mar-02  @  09:14 PM   -   REASON VS REBIRTH

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:How can i tell to rebirth to start his sequence
at, lets say, the third bar
:from reason. Maybe my questions seems a
bit confusing but english
:is not my main language.
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:thanks
:JFD

nocturnproduction@hotmail.com



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Message 13/42             04-Mar-02  @  09:22 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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Just create 3 blank patterns in rebirth and sequence them in or use the mixer to mute until needed.

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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws. I call it... Big Jaws!



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Message 14/42             04-Mar-02  @  09:23 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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tip: - get into the various trigger connectors on the back of the rack.

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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws. I call it... Big Jaws!



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Message 15/42             04-Mar-02  @  09:27 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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tip: no vst fx or dx fx in reason so no autotune, but you might get cool tuned-vocal parts for garage etc using a short vocal audio hook cut-up in recycle... phrase/sylable by phrase/sylable & retune the pitch of the component parts in REXPLAYER for new but similar vocal fx.

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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws. I call it... Big Jaws!



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Message 16/42             04-Mar-02  @  09:29 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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and running your squarewave synth bassline thru a reverb with a TAD of room reverb/gate reverb really opens up the bassline - mess with the 'release' for the final 'feel' of the b-line

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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws. I call it... Big Jaws!



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Message 17/42             05-Mar-02  @  03:21 AM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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i haven't had ant questions on connections and really don't know what to say about the subject, K is right about recycle. If you load your vocals into recyle, you can then pitch them where ever you want want and chop them up into those interesting stutters that Quivver's stuff. You could also load your vocals into the sampler and tune them up or or down. I recomend doing your pitch shifting and autotuning in another app. I run it in sonar then export.



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Message 18/42             05-Mar-02  @  03:26 AM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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to gate your samples use volume. Set the the sustain of the sample with the note duration, then use the controller for master volume with the snap resolution set to 16th or 32nd resolution and lower the volume in a pattern to transform your sample. Send it to a delay to get that classic chopped up delaysing vocal hits so prevelant in late 90's progressive breaks and trance. I'll use apattern that matches somthing else in the track like an arp or drum groove. O'll post an example later.



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Message 19/42             05-Mar-02  @  03:32 AM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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sorry k the triggers, oh!

use the lfo from a synth's back pannel, routed out the back to modulate a pan on a mixer. There are inputs on the back of every unit that support inputs for modulation. So you can use any of the modifier outs of a unit to the input of any other device. Pan is just one. I use the lfe to pan input on a delay so the only the deley pans in sync with the lfo modualting the synth's filter for a sweeping delay effect. i'll get into the details about this in another when I have some more time. I'll go into triggering tricks too.



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Message 20/42             17-Jul-02  @  02:45 AM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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to fatten kicks and bass, try a mult technique used by many to make the bass more present and fuller at a lower level and out of the way of other instruments.

You route the output of mono bass and kick to a chorus and turn it to by pass so the left output from the back panel of the drum machine is going into the chorus left input .Do the same for the bass.

Now send the left output of these chorus to the input of the main mixer. Disconnect the right channel if it auto connects it.

Connect the right output from these chorus to right input of a seperate mixer.

Repeat this with the bass, so you have the same mono signal from the kick and the bass going to two diferant mixers, the main and a seperate mixer.

Now put the output of this seperate mixer into a compressor and the left output of the compressor into an open channel on the main mixer(remember to disconnect the right cahnnel after it auto connects.) Pan the bass and kick on this seperate mixer to the left.

You should now have three seperate mono signals coming into the main mixer, a kick, a bass, and a mix of the bass and kick going through a compressor. Set the comp to a high ratio 10:1 or higher, medium attack and release with the threshold down low.

On the main mixer , set the kick and bass at a point where they sound clear and ballanced. Then mix the mult in under the mix and you should here it fatten up the sound considerably without making the song louder and even allow you to lower the kick and bass and still have it be full.



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Message 21/42             17-Jul-02  @  03:24 AM     Edit: 17-Jul-02  |  03:24 AM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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You GO, bwah!



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Message 22/42             17-Jul-02  @  01:51 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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I tried the method you described but no signal was coming in from the compressor because the right outputs from the chorus should have been connected to the left inputs of the seperate mixer,as this is always the case with mono inputs,otherwise no signal is coming in the seperate mixer.so i switched them and now it works perfect and i guess that was what you meant.
anyway its a nice and usefull trick,thnx!



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Message 23/42             18-Jul-02  @  02:51 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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see that's why I don't believe what they say about you. thanks brett.



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Message 24/42             19-Jul-02  @  02:47 AM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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always use left channels all the way through except the right out of the splitter(chorus) when using mono sounds. You could take the right out of the kick drum output, but if the sample is stereo it might not be ballanced properly so using the splitter from the mono out is best. It sounds pretty good in Reason. Rather than using a seperate mixer, it works on the bass and kick individually as well. You can do this with the snare and hats by using an aux send with a comp in it. Bring the rtn level in under the mix.



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Message 25/42             19-Jul-02  @  09:12 AM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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"Now send the left output of these chorus to the input of the main mixer. Disconnect the right channel if it auto connects it.

Connect the right output from these chorus to right input of a seperate mixer."

Is this right? because if it is lay it down for me....



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Message 26/42             20-Jul-02  @  02:54 AM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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wait , now I am confused.

the chorus is used as a splitter on by pass. so it should have the left input on it used, and the output of it will be left to main mixer, right channel to the left input of the seperate bass/kick group mixer. Then you pan the channel to the left and route the output of that group mixer into the left in on the main.

The reason I mention the diconnect the right channel is because when you connect the left output of a stereo device to the left in on a stereo device or mixer channle it auto connects the right. This will happen when you connect the lef tout of the chorus to the mixer. Disconnect the right, then reconnect it to the group mixer. If it makes more sense do the right channel first and this will not happen when you connect the left out of the chorus to the left in on the main mixer.

I hope that is clear. I'll post an .RNS with it routed for you to see.



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Message 27/42             20-Jul-02  @  09:48 AM     Edit: 20-Jul-02  |  09:49 AM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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I already got the picture the first time...but you said to connect the right out from the chorus to the right input of the sub-mixer...and i told you that it should have been left input of submixer...(check your post)and now you are saying the same thing so i guess this is settled then!No need to be confused as i corrected something what seems to be a typo....but a vital one ;).



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Message 28/42             21-Jul-02  @  08:46 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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sorry about that. Glad you understood what i meant. This works well on them individually as well without the use of the submixer for grouping.



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Message 29/42             27-Jul-02  @  01:26 AM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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mult_demo.rns

for anyone wanting a look at what I was getting at, here is the rns to show the routing of a grouped mult. Play with it because the levels were set using my laptop speakers in my hotel room.



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Message 30/42             30-Jul-02  @  10:46 AM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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Also, the compressor does side chain, in a method as follows.

Say you want to put a deep bongo (or BD) sound in the mix and make it sound big without muddying the whole mix. Put bongo through left side compressor, what goes through the right side of the compressor will be compressed by the bongos (or BD).

I'm not happy with the reverb. I've really tryed working on it and found the following. Eqing the middle out of the reverb makes it sound a great deal better, also I add an LFO (from subtractor) to the a parametric eq, to add some colour to the reverb. But that reverb sounds very digital and tinny. (I think it maybe proper reverb requires too much DSP and latency).



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Message 31/42             30-Jul-02  @  10:52 AM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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Okay I just repeated what some others wrote way way above.



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Message 32/42             31-Jul-02  @  04:37 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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Don't worry, i have listed the multing thread earlier, just didn't go as deep with it until now. The reverbs require a lot of eq.



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Message 33/42             02-Aug-02  @  07:50 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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Yer, yer, delay the delay.



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Message 34/42             04-Aug-02  @  04:40 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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riiiiight!



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Message 35/42             01-Oct-02  @  08:37 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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Great Thread, Brett!



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Message 36/42             05-Dec-02  @  01:00 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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More! More!



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Message 37/42             05-Dec-02  @  03:57 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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heres one: use external sequencer for mixdown. sounds much better with propper effects!  



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Message 38/42             06-Dec-02  @  03:41 AM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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here is one,

use a access virus instead.

sorry just got mine. i am having a hard time going near softsynths.



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Message 39/42             07-Dec-02  @  05:05 AM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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More! More!



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Message 40/42             09-Dec-02  @  10:09 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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take a redrum or rex player and plug it straight
into a malstrom's filter a and b. add some
saturation. want some creative processing?
modulate with mod A and B.



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Message 41/42             22-Dec-02  @  09:48 PM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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hey thats my idea fucker!  
but yeah if you want to beef up the drums run them thru maelstroms filter and fuck around with the filter the bottom 2 filter(forgot what hey were) it was the one with the minus somethin.. shit can t remember bit yeah one of those.. then turn the res up and fuck with the cutoff you will get a kick sound so strong you felt like someone did kick you in the nuts. Believe you me it rocks.. oh and then add some sturation or distortion 



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Message 42/42             19-Jan-05  @  09:11 AM   -   RE: tip and tricks for pro-mixes

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Whatever happened to Brett? Those tips are really good.

Am I safe to assume that since these tips were written, Prop have added the splitter to Reason to replace the use of Chorus on bypass?

Love to hear what Brett can do with the newer version of Reason.



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