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Subject: Semitone settings = layered notes?
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Original Message 1/17 20-Jan-04 @ 04:05 AM - Semitone settings = layered notes?
Cheers
Message 2/17 20-Jan-04 @ 10:25 AM - RE: Semitone settings = layered notes?
Message 3/17 21-Jan-04 @ 01:30 AM - RE: Semitone settings = layered notes?
So is that how a lot of Techno/Detroit Techno is produced. Do the non Musician producers of Electronic music build chords by constucting patches that have 2 or three oscilators programmed to different semitones. Connect the patch to lets say a Doepfer Maq 16/3 type signal with lets say only one line dedicated to sending on off signals as notes. Than basicaly you are playing chord progressions triggered by only one note? Do you think some people do it this way?
CM
Message 4/17 21-Jan-04 @ 03:13 AM - RE: Semitone settings = layered notes?
psy
Message 5/17 21-Jan-04 @ 10:14 AM - RE: Semitone settings = layered notes?
Message 6/17 22-Jan-04 @ 02:00 AM - RE: Semitone settings = layered notes?
That's exactly what I was asking about!
Now this "constant chord structure progression" Is exactly what I was asking about.
What I was leading to was that fact that I do know the basic basic Fundamentals involving Major, Natural minor, Melodic M, and Harmonic minor etc. But not being a musician I was confused as to whether constructing patches by having Osc 2 set at say +5 and a third Osc maybe on +7 would be a "legal" manuever? Meaning, I realized that if I planned to create a sequence constructed of single note's played in a melodic pattern that there would clearly be notes not in the particular scale.
So in essence Psy, you actually touched on the subject I was leading to.
Now, with the information you have given me it seems that the best way to handle this is to use only two oscilators, and if the pattern sounds ok, than it is ok. And that I should be concerned, keep it in mind (theory), but that NOT adhearing solely to the theory is accepted and possibly recommended in popular music today. What do you think?
CM
Message 7/17 22-Jan-04 @ 08:26 AM - RE: Semitone settings = layered notes?
if you want to experiment with this, I would just make your synth patch with one oscillator, do a melody, then copy it to another track routed to the same synth channel/patch. transpose that copied track up or down whatever you want. then you can hear how it sounds in your tune, and move notes up or down as needed in sections where you feel it's going too far out of the key, ya dig?
doing it with synth programming, you will be stuck in your constant chord structure unless you somehow automate the pitch of one or both of the oscillators.
maybe that's what you want? I dunno.... [shrug]
Message 8/17 22-Jan-04 @ 02:07 PM - RE: Semitone settings = layered notes?
If it sounds good, it is good. Even if it breaks the rules.
Theory is a guide, not a law.
-Craig
Message 9/17 22-Jan-04 @ 04:28 PM - RE: Semitone settings = layered notes?
CM - just use your ears mate....oh shit, sorry.........................
Message 11/17 23-Jan-04 @ 12:13 AM - RE: Semitone settings = layered notes?
I will half to play around with these concepts however clearly I like the idea from psylichon. That seems a brilliant way to control the harmony with a very easy way to be able to control the amount of the amount of bad notes. I will drop a question or two more here in the future, outstanding help overall.
Cheers
CM
Message 12/17 29-Jan-04 @ 06:11 PM - RE: Semitone settings = layered notes?
Message 13/17 29-Jan-04 @ 06:27 PM - RE: Semitone settings = layered notes?
-Craig
Message 14/17 30-Jan-04 @ 10:36 AM - RE: Semitone settings = layered notes?
Message 15/17 30-Jan-04 @ 09:09 PM - RE: Semitone settings = layered notes?
-Craig
Message 16/17 30-Jan-04 @ 09:37 PM - RE: Semitone settings = layered notes?
Message 17/17 14-Feb-04 @ 09:45 PM - RE: Semitone settings = layered notes?
MC keep in mind that be detuning OSC1 by +5, and OSC2 by +7, the perceived sound
will be detuned by approx +6.
What gets me is that, by detuning certain notes in a scale, it make the scale progression sound completely different, and if you use synthetic sounds, it doesn't sound "off" unlike a detuned piano. I guess more like a guitar, no one notices detuned notes in a solo.
Two detuned sine oscillators is the same as one sine oscillator modulated by a LFO oscillating at their frequency difference.
But two detuned saw-tooth's....just sounds wicked.
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