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Original Message 1/14 13-Dec-05 @ 05:24 PM - LOGIC - Input Monitoring

flavo

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Thanks for the article Automation...
In logic I wanna play my expression pedal (CC for wah)to control the plug-in parameter of Guitar Rig (it has a learn function) while playing guitar. I cant sent external CC (midi) in realtime to an audio object. I tried to cable everything but it doesnt work.
Thanks in advance!

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Message 2/14 14-Dec-05 @ 12:59 PM - RE: LOGIC - Input Monitoring

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can't help, but where did you get a midi out expression pedal?

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Message 3/14 14-Dec-05 @ 08:53 PM - RE: LOGIC - Input Monitoring

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good point

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Message 4/14 14-Dec-05 @ 11:07 PM - RE: LOGIC - Input Monitoring

flavo

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HI,
Sorry for the confusion!
I use a Roland EV5 conected directly in my Motu MidiTimePiece to send the CCs.
The good news are that now I can control the parameters of Guitar Rig in Realtime but my sustem becames instable. In some presets it worked very well (but the wahs can sounds better) but in others presets the parameters of wah becames slowly and erratic with no sound. If I sait a little I can choose a unbugged preset and play again..
In Logic you cant send Midi from external sources if it is an audio object (no cables)
You have to call the plugin like a VSTI and the in the corner of the plugin we can see a Side Chain and now we can choose an inpu or track in (WARNING: mute the outpuT until you choose the soouce)
Thanks for attention

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Message 5/14 15-Dec-05 @ 12:59 AM - RE: LOGIC - Input Monitoring

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I don't use logic, but I have two expression pedals that I use with Sonar and I notice that the throw they deliver isn't necessarily linear or similar between the two at all. In fact, my cheap plastic Korg pedal seems to have very little resolution in the upper end of its range. it like jumps from 80-127 very quickly before it even reaches the top. Random data can also occur (i.e. jumpiness). My big rubber Yamaha usually fares better.

The point is, have you tried any other pedals? Or perhaps you could tweak the "ballistics" of yours somehow.

This may not be your issue at all so make sure before you get out the screwdriver.

You could also purchase Guitar Rig and you get a dedicated pedalboard, no?

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Message 6/14 15-Dec-05 @ 12:24 PM - RE: LOGIC - Input Monitoring

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well mebbe your system is just too slow - Guitar Rig is very CPU hungry

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Message 7/14 15-Dec-05 @ 12:43 PM - RE: LOGIC - Input Monitoring

flavo

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Hi,
I can optimize the curve of my pedal by the Motu MTP, but it doesnt work well as my old Dunlop CryBaby, seams like a Q with short range
The jumpness occurs but an interest thing occurs when I use the mouse to control Wah parameters: it works very well!
Maybe its a Logic Bug and I must to face the SX or the new Sonar.
Hugs and Thanks

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Message 8/14 15-Dec-05 @ 05:10 PM - RE: LOGIC - Input Monitoring

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mebbe there's a midi loop from the controller pedal?

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Message 9/14 15-Dec-05 @ 05:11 PM - RE: LOGIC - Input Monitoring

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what happens if you try controlling the whah from say your MOD WHEEL on a synth/keyboard?

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Message 10/14 15-Dec-05 @ 05:22 PM - RE: LOGIC - Input Monitoring

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With mod wheel occurs the same!
I will try to control the function without the learn funcion.
I must say that i have a really bad guy with lots of realtime buttons called Korg Z1, but I turn it off to do the GT tests.
HUGS from Brazil!

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Message 11/14 20-Dec-05 @ 01:05 PM - RE: LOGIC - Input Monitoring

flavo

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the problem remains...

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Message 12/14 29-Dec-05 @ 08:44 PM - RE: LOGIC - Input Monitoring

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sorry bout the lack of reply, christmas & all that.... first of all i never asked NI for a copy of guitar rig, so dont have it.... i'm not sure therefore how well the control works even with their own controller unit or if it's prone to bugs. I know those line-6 things had/have bugs sometimes, at the end of the day i would suspect that a good old Jim Dunlop analog pedal is always going to be the real deal

i'm a bit confused what you say about inability to send the controller to the plugin tho, it should be easy to LEARN the controller for the Guitar-Rig - mebbe you have some sort of MIDI loop?... btw, what version number of Logic r u using? (i assume v5.5 on PC yes?)

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Message 13/14 30-Dec-05 @ 12:28 AM - RE: LOGIC - Input Monitoring

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Thanks again!
Until last year I use to work with Macs but the prices here in Brazil are 3 times more than USA and the upgrades cost even more.
I use Logic PC 5.5 (I am proprietary of 2 plataforms because they dont offer me the option to cross plataform).
In Logic we can easy draw the parameters of the plugins via the track automation mode.
To play the paramenters in real time we have to put the plugin like an audio instrument and than in the right corner we can find the SIDECHAIN were we can put the audio source. Only now we can record and send automation in realtime. So the learn function doesnt work in audio objects.
The logic manual and helps dont show this, it show but it seams that only some Logic plugins have the sidechain option.
Via invironment its impossible too, you cant send midi direct to audio.
If you dont have new version of Guitar Rig you must try! For m its much more usable and a really diferent plugin than the first.
The incredible is that some presets with wah frozen and others works very well (but I still dont have corage to use it in a song - this after the optimization that i do in the response of my CC pedal via Motu MTP). some auto wahs are really good.
Happy new year!

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Message 14/14 30-Dec-05 @ 09:46 AM - RE: LOGIC - Input Monitoring

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aha... have you tried NOT using the track automation, but instead use the midi controller lane which you find in the piano roll edit (hyperdraw)

because the track automation is using sysex conversion afaik... the new logic has a converter on each channel which quickly remaps any controller input but old logic doesnt have this....

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