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Subject: What the f&é"?
Original Message 1/24 06-Jul-00 @ 02:29 AM - What the f&é
It's in part because they are getting a huge chunk of the musician's cake/respect without knowing shit about music, and without doing shit to get the musicians the respect the deserve. Instead, they are just keeping the kids ignorant, and feeding on them.
Another reason is that they treat music like a commodity, each track or sound, being just another asset for them to whip out during a set. I'm sure part of this is because of musicians making DJ tools as well. But there are a few of us out there trying to make pieces that stand on their own and are still danceable. A perfect example is the guy in the Vocal samples thread, wanting prepackaged lyrics for what is obviously going to be a prepackaged piece, rather than trying to find a musician to do the right job, and support that musician as an individual pro, and as a part of the musician community. Read the post, and you'll see so clearly what a little skiver this bastard is. The saddest part is that he doesn't even realize the lack of respect he has. Just sheer ignorance, like the drunk who staggers into church and pisses in the holy water by the door, then feels up the statue of Mary and asks her for a 'just a little kiss,...hun-urp-hunnyhhh' in his blinded state. How would the priest feel seeing that? Music is my religion, and I can tell you, it bothers me seeing the equivalent of that kind of ignorant behavior. Okay laugh, cuz at first it is funny, but it's not funny after a while, and after years it becomes obvious as a symptom of a very large problem of misunderstanding and coersion, combined with ignorance and apathy, thus not being very funny at all.
What can we do about this? What are YOU going to do about this, cuz you're either part of the solution or part of the problem.
Ape
Message 2/24 06-Jul-00 @ 02:30 AM - RE: What the f&é
Ape
Message 3/24 06-Jul-00 @ 08:23 AM - RE: What the f&é
the days where the DJ is revered as rock-star are going
to end, and soon.
DJs used to be the faceless hands behind the decks,
playing for the enjoyment of the audience - whom the
party was really about.
DJs today have it backwards - it's not about them, it's
about the audience. And the audience knows the DJs have
it backwards.
(This is with the exception of a few DJs who write
their own stuff and get it pressed, probably because
they make more money spinning their own tracks than if
they tried to do a live PA.)
Maybe more musicians need to do live PAs, and drum up
some attention. Releasing 1000 white-labels isn't going
to do anything for one's r
Message 4/24 06-Jul-00 @ 08:56 AM - RE: What the f&é
Message 5/24 06-Jul-00 @ 11:36 AM - RE: What the f&é
DJs are only important in getting music heard all the rest of it bores me shitless, dexterity they say, try playing a saxophone,fiddle or a harp that's dexterity of an order that a DJ can never approach without musicians DJs wouldn't exist.
Message 6/24 06-Jul-00 @ 01:17 PM - RE: What the f&é
but as for pict, you've obviously never seen a real turntablist go to work... i'll agree that your standard dance dj has very limited, if any, musical skills, but i've got a friend who's been scratching for 6-7 years, and beleive me, you'll realize that "dexterity" thing is just plain wrong, i play sax/guitar/drums/paino, and i really have to say he's easily at my level, besides which you should hear the shit this guy comes up with... basically in the right hands turntables become real-time samplers (albeit limited), and i don't really think anyone can deny the musicality of sampling... you should check out the kid koala cd for a good example...
but yeah, the fact that music is basically being shit on by the gear industry, thousands of djs, and millions of stupid kids really gets me down sometimes...
Message 7/24 06-Jul-00 @ 01:48 PM - RE: What the f&é
Ape
Message 8/24 06-Jul-00 @ 03:45 PM - RE: What the f&é
Message 9/24 07-Jul-00 @ 10:47 AM - RE: What the f&é
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