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Original Message 1/19 18-Jul-00 @ 03:28 PM - Help on how to make TRANCE beat

toomas

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Hey!

Im a big fan of Ferry Corsten , Dj tiesto , Rank1, Dutchforce.

I need help in making their style of drum grooves and i need drum samples.

Please add me on ICQ#: 71538338

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Message 2/19 19-Jul-00 @ 03:36 AM - RE: Help on how to make TRANCE beat

JAWA

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You wanna start off with finding a nice kik, there's this program called Stomper and you can create some amazingly fat kiks that are perfect for this genre..... its freeware and somewhere on the internet.....

For your snare a fat 909 snare with some compression and a bit of reverb would do just fine......

For HiHats? 909 open, longish decay..... you can experiment with 909 closed or 808 closed depending on which sits better..... But don't forget a bit of 'verb
and posibly a touch of delay......

And a tambourine filtered a bit to give it some pace....

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Message 3/19 19-Jul-00 @ 07:53 AM - RE: Help on how to make TRANCE beat

ggehiere

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I've found trance grooves harder to develop than I
thought it would be. It's easy to get a standard beat
going, the groove part is harder. I'm suprised Dj
Tiesto is on your list of drum-groove influences,
toomas - I like his selections fine, but the drums in
the tracks he chooses don't always have that much
groove (just standard 4 on the floor stuff, really),
just alot of arrangement to make up for it. That's only
my opinion...

I've had good results with sampled hihats, especially
little hihat trills and so forth that are difficult to
sequence myself. Alot of trance seems to use the sound
of an open hihat closing, which is difficult to
generate using most drum machines (except maybe the
Nova DrumStation), so samples are useful for these.
Also, a good assortment of claps (and reverse claps)
are helpful, because they add alot of atmosphere to the
drums.

Break beats are getting more popular in trance now, and
it's easy to see why: They really add some movement and
groove to the melodic break downs where it's not so
dynamic to just run the hihats or any other 4/4 beat.
I've also had some good results running a standard 4/4
progression over a breakbeat, which really adds groove
to the track. A friend of mine said that in jungle,
melodies are used to give the listener a break from the
beat, but in trance, beats are used to give the
listener a break from the melody.

Good luck. The added groove is th

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Message 4/19 19-Jul-00 @ 09:02 AM - RE: Help on how to make TRANCE beat

Jasper

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that's a pretty good example.. trance tracks have a very up and down progression.. and you'll find that even the cheesiest melody part can suddenly break down to a stonking groove..

try this (but you need a sampler with modulation capeability).. get a 909 snare and stick it on all the 1/16ths.. set the lfo to 1/4 bar length so it's cycling 4 times a bar.. map the lfo to filter.. set the filter to a lowpass 24db type and basically tweak the resonance and filter position until you get a decent sound. try mapping the lfo to pitch as well (you never know)

you'll need to mess with velocities and other shit.. but this sort of gives you an idea of how you could get one part of you rythm.

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Message 5/19 19-Jul-00 @ 04:51 PM - RE: Help on how to make TRANCE beat

JAWA

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Also, a lot of that mystic groove lies in the basslines

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Message 6/19 22-Jul-00 @ 09:17 PM - RE: Help on how to make TRANCE beat

ignorant novice

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whats the open and the closed on that grid?

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Message 7/19 23-Jul-00 @ 06:45 AM - RE: Help on how to make TRANCE beat

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hi-hats - open & closed

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Message 8/19 29-Jul-00 @ 11:38 PM - RE: Help on how to make TRANCE beat

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i have no problem with the groove part, but I have a hard time getting my hats and cymbols to sound washed and airy. I've compressed the shit out of the samples, but should I run reverb as an insert then compress the result as well. Also I hear a lot of sustained reverbs that are then filtered. This softness is very dificult for me to attain. Previously all I did was breaks. I think it's in the reverb and all I have is this VST wonder Verb. My Waves Power Pack Platnum bundle will be here shortly.

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Message 9/19 30-Jul-00 @ 08:23 AM - RE: Help on how to make TRANCE beat

r-tek

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I dunno `bout compressing hats and cymbals - to get em sounding light and airy, whats wrong with a hipass filter? Just resample and normalize, maybe add some eq and you`re there.

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Message 10/19 30-Jul-00 @ 04:50 PM - RE: Help on how to make TRANCE beat

Jasper

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maybe a bit of reverb that also has plenty of hipass on it.. go for a close reverb sound rather than washing it all over.. a short decay and that.

btw - an enhancer works wonders but don't over do it.

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