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Original Message 1/24 28-Nov-02 @ 10:58 PM - raid - any point?

bedwyr

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i'm thinking of getting an asus a7v333 (coz i got an asus a7v now, and it works) but the a7v333 comes in two versions - onbaoard raid or not.

shall i bother? any point?

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Message 2/24 29-Nov-02 @ 12:43 AM - RE: raid - any point?

psylichon

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for data security, not really unless you never
backup.

for speed, not really unless you're trying to mix
a major motion picture (which from what I've
heard ain't happening in Logic

) ATA133
drives are plenty enuff for what we do around
here.

psy

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Message 3/24 29-Nov-02 @ 12:54 AM - RE: raid - any point?

bedwyr

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how about an hour long documentary? :|

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Message 4/24 29-Nov-02 @ 12:56 AM - RE: raid - any point?

bedwyr

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thing is it's raid ata133 - that's why i'm a bit confused. i thought it was some scsi thing. call me stupid.

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Message 5/24 29-Nov-02 @ 01:08 AM - RE: raid - any point?

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stupid.

I'm predictable, if nothing else.

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Message 6/24 29-Nov-02 @ 09:00 AM - RE: raid - any point?

psylichon

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SCSI was traditionally implemented in RAID arrays, but lately, mobo manufacturers have seen it as a cheap way to implement their IDE controllers (one IC is really all you need) to attract new power users. It's nice if you have some drives laying around that aren't really worth it for their size anymore. But I wouldn't buy a mobo simply for that feature. It's generally an afterthought.

psy

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Message 7/24 29-Nov-02 @ 09:58 AM - RE: raid - any point?

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yeah, i doubt it's worth it now - honestly i never use more than 8 tracks or so to produce any type of tune, it always amazes me when people say they are using 48 tracks... what the bloody hell for!!

Ok, in a band/rock studio recording real drums etc you might use 24 or 32 tracks... but 48?... or 64? jesus man... i seriously never understand that, and understand it even less with hard disk techniques..

I mean, 48 tracks would be some epic album like from Queen or Trevor Horn mega-production or something from the old days... I just cannot see how anyone can use that many tracks, especialy for dance music where mostly it's midi based... Ok, some of my mates who do alot of RnB tunes or commercial pop/rnb crossover use up to 24 tracks for guitars, vocals, BV's etc but that's about it, and a good cheap athlon will do that no worries.

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Message 8/24 29-Nov-02 @ 10:19 AM - RE: raid - any point?

bedwyr

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ok. you just saved me 20 squids then. i do use up to about 16 - 20 tracks sometimes, but yeah, for the pop stuff with guitars and bvs and shite, but there's never 20 going at the same time.

ok how about saving me another 20?

pc2100 or pc2700 ddr?

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Message 9/24 29-Nov-02 @ 12:56 PM Edit: 29-Nov-02 | 12:59 PM - RE: raid - any point?

Steve Roughley

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Well, sorry to possibly cost you more money here, bedwyr, but using the onboard RAID connectors as a couple of extra 133-IDE busses, works really well in DAW systems. I have onboard RAID, which I use for extra IDE HDDs, and not for RAID. It allows me to use a separate IDE channel for each drive in my system, which means maximum IDE bandwidth all the time, which means more constant data throughput, which means more speed. If you have more than two drives (CD, HDD, CDR, etc) then you could really take advantage of the boost in performance gained from not sharing IDE busses.

However, I do not know the architecture of the a7v333, so have a look at the diagrams and check if the RAID controller has an individual connection to the main CPU bus, this is usually the South Bridge controller, that is separate from the primary IDE controller. If so, then �20 will get you a lot more power. If not, the RAID and IDE bus will most likely share the same connection and will not really boost your performance that much.

Regards.

Steve.

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Message 10/24 29-Nov-02 @ 01:39 PM - RE: raid - any point?

Stvy

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Hi,

Bedwyr - if your going for a 333FSB atlhon then definitely go for the PC2700. Also bear in mind if you upgrade in the future your PC2700 will be more sutiable to keep hold of.

On the subject of IDE rAID Steve Roughley's spot on. One thing to note if you do use IDE RAID in a RAID situation with two drives and one mirrored then in the event of some corrupt data being sent almost all IDE RAID controllers will send the same corrupt data to your 1 st hard drive and then to the 2nd supposedly backup drive as well! giving you no benefit!

If your going raid then go SCSI everytime. But thats a serious outlay and I think you just lost that �20 and probably another �1000 as well!!!

Cheers

stvy

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