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Original Message 1/16 10-Mar-06 @ 10:28 PM - recording guitar

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hey psy, what would get the better result:

recording heavily distorted electric guitar with a sm57 ---> m610

or

AKG C414 ---> 610

or both?

any suggestions?

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Message 2/16 13-Mar-06 @ 08:38 PM - RE: recording guitar

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try 'em both, on different cones what you got to loose? - mid you ou could cose mic with the SM and cab mic with the 414

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Message 3/16 13-Mar-06 @ 09:35 PM - RE: recording guitar

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I often record an amp with a 57 up on the grill and a LD condenser or ribbon about a foot back. You need to mess with some delay time on the closer mic until you get the phase relationship you want, but really either of those mics will work for you. Obviously, the 414 will be a bit brighter, but perhaps less "mean". I would use both and blend to taste.

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Message 4/16 14-Mar-06 @ 04:10 PM - RE: recording guitar

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I've got another question... In this setup... sm57 close up, condenser in the back... How loud do you normally record against the sm57/condenser?

I've always wondered... b/c I usually get quite a bit of distortion when turning the amp up with a condenser around. I have to drop a -30db on it. Whats the ideal level? Or what have you done?

I've found that the electric guitar is the hardest thing to record. Especially on a fairly low budget. The tone is weak and I want to optimize my setup, ie: Mic positions, levels, and the amount of processing. any quick info would be great.

setup: 7-string electric, into a tube DI-box -> guitar pedals -> amp

record: sm57 -> 610 -> line in on digi 001

thanks.

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Message 5/16 14-Mar-06 @ 08:27 PM - RE: recording guitar

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tube di box.. what's that for then?... you should be able to get a real hot cab level and not overload the close mic dynamic

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Message 6/16 14-Mar-06 @ 10:48 PM - RE: recording guitar

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I'm just interested in what volume electric guitar should be recorded at; or if it even matters. hmmm.

the DI box gives the distortion a better sound... a slight warm & crunchy sound. I use it as a aesthetic to my sound.

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Message 7/16 14-Mar-06 @ 11:43 PM - RE: recording guitar

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y'know what'd be cool, take the pc down to me mates studio and rak up a marshall rig and do a video on mic-ing it with accompanying audio takes @ 44.1 wav, He's got loads guitars too

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Message 8/16 15-Mar-06 @ 07:37 PM - RE: recording guitar

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that'd certainly be cool!

esp. if you could show the effect of placement & distance & phase relation of different mics, i'm sure there'd be many guitarists interested in that!

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Message 9/16 17-Mar-06 @ 12:57 AM - RE: recording guitar

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well, I spent a day recording the guitar. Turns out that phase issues were the biggest problems during recording. Whenever I mono mixed the track, I would get a echo/chorus type sound. It took a while to figure it out but it still was a problem. Their must be a relationship between microphones and mic placement.

I'm too critical of my sound, but I couldnt get the growl or low-mid I wanted... only with eq. The extra mic worsened my results... though after many hours I got a fairly decent result.

Not very professional but I still was able to get a nice sound out of my sm57... not so great results with the c414.

I've always avoided working with electric guitar b/c its hard to record and get that sound thats rich and warm, yet soft and hard. What-a-backwards way of saying something... but still. that sound. in my room!

Anyhow, my sound was improved by multiple guitar pedals. I had 5 distortion pedals until I got the sound I wanted. Definitley helps to have a lot of pedals and know how they interact. The big challenge comes when you want to record the guitar amp, the way it sounds.

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Message 10/16 17-Mar-06 @ 05:13 AM - RE: recording guitar

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Nothing unprofessional about a 57... that's what's used 90% of the time innit.

Are you sure the amp sound was as warm as you wanted it to begin with? Because a 57 through a 610 should yeild plenty of second order harmonics... perhaps even more than the source, due to the pre. How hard were you driving the course gain knob and at what level was the big knob? More of the former will give you more tube overdrive. 2k impedance will also sound a bit more boom/hiss-smiley sweeter-ish, and 500 impedance will be midrangier growlier, if ya know what I mean.

Agreed on the 414... best idea to ditch it. Shoulda said it could be cool as a room mic though... if your room sounds any good, that is.

But really, a 57 and a 610 are a good match for guitar, I question the amp and the room after that, I suppose.

I always take a DI, too, just for reamping. I'll often blend the reamped track ever so slightly into original, with an amp or effect just to fill in what's missing on the original. Like if I wanted more low mids, I'll dial in a chunky amp, get that sounding mean then feed it baaaarely into the original miked cabinet. Often works better than phasey EQ.

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