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Subject: Trance Drums
Original Message Date: 05-Jun-00 @ 12:35 PM - Trance Drums
Steve
Message 11/13 16-Jun-00 @ 07:45 AM - RE: Trance Drums
Most trance music was created on an MPC3000 and the quantisation used was THE UNMISTAKABLE akai slight shuffle, but it was VERY SLIGHT, now the illision that i'm trying to explain that i think you've mistaken for quantisation is actually down to clever use of rhythmic delay (make sure you have a high setting HF. damp), so sounds appear "two stage", kiks are definitely delay free, but with a slight reverb to add colour and help them sit in the mix, try a Lexicon style ambience setting...... the snares often have a slight delay on them giving that two stage effect and the hats have a longish decay, basslines always tend to have a rhythmic delay on them but it is so subtle that it's giving the tune drive without clouding it....... making a trance tune "roll" is often down to smart thinking production by making all the elements of the drums and percussion sit perfectly together, so nothing overtly stands out...... I've listened to Heaven Scent a million times and its DEFINITELY not quantisation that gives that effect, that's delay and smart use of compression for sure......
Now there are some trance tunes around that have a more dramatic shuffle to them try Logic's 16C for an idea but never anything more than that, unless you wanna head for that really groovy tech house effect.....
Laters,
JAWA
Message 12/13 16-Jun-00 @ 06:33 PM - RE: Trance Drums
JAWA I actually worked this out from looking at a tutorial in Future Music about 18 months ago. The tutorial was actually on house and indeed this is not a typical trance drum construction. To my ears most snares in Euro Trance are on beats 2 and 4 with no quantisation.
I'd agree that in normal circumstances you can't easily use more than a 16C swing in Logic at the sort of tempos these tracks are written at ie 136-140BPM.
I'm not clear what you mean by trance music. Psy Trance usually runs at a much faster tempo than the Euro stuff with no quantisation. I don't think that Sasha and Digweed play much trance, they tend to talk about deep trance, progressive house etc.
Message 13/13 19-Jun-00 @ 03:42 AM - RE: Trance Drums
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