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Original Message                 Date: 03-Dec-03  @  10:23 PM   -   ever be considered?

Influx

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Just thinkin about this with my recent exposure to some old skool analog

synths like the xpander, OB series, Matrix, Jupiter6/8, MiniMoog, Prophet5, etc...

back 'then" they had character, defining "voices"...

wondering about the current crop...just a ton of VAs mostly, that sometimes dont sound all that distinctive...

do you think in 10-20 years any of these new synths will "matter"?




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Message 11/25             04-Dec-03  @  09:02 PM   -   RE:

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I know what you're talking about, but there's a good example for my point. Lots of people sold off their As for Bs or Cs. Hell, once prices come into line I might go for a b or c spec KB myself.. But people don't rush out to trade in their Nords for the more powerful model. Besides the NL3 is totally different than the NL1/2.

You also can't deny the huge amount of artists who bought Nords early and still use them.

-Craig



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Message 12/25             05-Dec-03  @  01:14 AM   -   RE:

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I don't think any of the current VA synths will matter in twenty years. Niether will the "classics". The problem is that synths were married to keyboards early on in their commercial career and that has limited their potential and, in about twenty years or so, I believe their utility as such will be over. Alternate controllers which are only now coming into their own in certain very small circles will change the entire way synths are percieved and used. Once these controllers are widely accepted and commercially available I think everything will change, the very concept of what sound synthesis is will be redefined, and "classic" synths will be mentioned only in museum conversation. Of course, I could be full of shit.



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Message 13/25             06-Dec-03  @  01:48 AM   -   RE:

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I agree. What we are fighting for now is the perfectly adaptable, universal, best "control surface" for whatever you do. Hip-Hoppers love the MPC, loopers love Acid, trancers love VA's, etc. Sound engines for these interfaces will only get better with time. The sound is a completely different thing, now removed from the control surface/ MIDI controller entirely with software. I will always consider my Nova a classic in that it encapsulates a certain vibe at a certain time for me. I love its simplistic interface and just the way it "feels".... but of course they will always add more bells and whistles that will make it technically "better" and if they don't change the basic oscillator and filter engine, it will still sound like my sweet nova, only with more mods. But I still appreciate the nova (the actual surface and idea of a Nova) for what it is. A beautiful marriage of interface and fidelity.

btw, I consider the Nova's filters and oscs to be very unique... disctincly liquid... modeled after the OSCar if I'm not mistaken. Bubbles like no other...



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Message 14/25             06-Dec-03  @  10:10 AM   -   RE:

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I think the VA's of today will only be remembered for how innovative they are. believe it or
not the JP-8000 might be the only synth to take the cake... that supersaw sound literally
exploded the electronic music market everywhere. nothing VA wise has come to what it
has done. the nord though would probably be first in the graduating class b/c it was the
first to be created. but the jp-8k was sumtin that changed the sound of electronic music.

analog will always be what it is b/c the people who created it wanted a musical instrument
made for musicians...that mindset made 1980's music. Then when used differently, like
electronic music in the 1990's, people used synthesizers for the wrong reasons... Maybe
in twenty years some scene of gearists will use VA's for not electronic music but for
something else...



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Message 15/25             06-Dec-03  @  10:10 AM   -   RE:

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techonpolka



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Message 16/25             06-Dec-03  @  10:11 AM   -   RE:

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Message 17/25             06-Dec-03  @  10:30 AM   -   RE:

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nooooo nonono...only waldorf micro Q will be remembered because it is one of the most capable synths ever created by man or woman, yet incredibly affordable!

how can you people be so subjective about it all?

anyway... i think you guys are in a way proving that they wont be remembred, except by the people who owned them. "what u say?"



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Message 18/25             07-Dec-03  @  05:04 PM   -   RE:

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I think regardless of the interface (be it a rack mount or attached to keys), a synth will be remembered for it's sound and programmability. The Prophecy will be desirable for years to come, I think the XT falls into that category, and as mentioned before, the Supersaw function of the JP-8k will keep that synth in everyones mind (thanks to Broken Silence for sending the patch to open my eyes to that sound). The AN1X could be a classic. There will always be a market. Does a synth need to be for "everyone" to be a classic? I don't think so. The mini may be a classic, but it certainly isn't for everyone (I can't IMAGINE trying to haul my kid around in that thing). I think a synth needs to be sufficiently unique to reach "classic" status. I think there are a few out there.

I think a good gauge of classis is which used synths you guys recommend.



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Message 19/25             08-Dec-03  @  11:41 AM   -   RE:

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i think it will be xt, fs1r etc like people said....

cant imagine the voyager taking on the status of a minimoog......

software is too copyable....but things like atmosphere are pushing the envelope...

i personally think the scene will slightly mutate to incorporate samplers and stuff..still hear loads of people bang on about the merits of the old akai 9xx series, the sp range, the old mpcs and the asr-1's. plus the akai s5k/6k looks like the last really decent hardware sampler....

greg



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Message 20/25             08-Dec-03  @  09:24 PM   -   RE:

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A good question. But I dont think its possible to predict what will become classic and what will not.

A better question yet is whether these digital synths will survive another 20-30 years!

Tom



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