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Subject: Vocal samples?
Original Message Date: 14-Jun-00 @ 11:41 PM - Vocal samples?
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Message 41/84 17-Jul-00 @ 03:16 AM - RE: Vocal samples?
Message 43/84 17-Jul-00 @ 08:47 PM - RE: Vocal samples?
but i think pongoid and damballah both have the wrong attitude.
you can make a pint but you shouldn't be mean to person who asked the question, and if you think your attitude was right why did you get so many shittalk, and you answered them too... as far as ant warhol goes...mmm... i think he kind of sucks but i don think anyone who likes him are stupid bitch ass wankers.... get the point?
Message 45/84 17-Jul-00 @ 10:56 PM - RE: Vocal samples?
Pop Art traces its ancestry back to dada, Marcel Duchamp in particular. Warhol was a very good draughtsman before he started producing the work he's famous for. Yes, it is art. I'm not going to do an art history essay here, though.
Message 47/84 17-Jul-00 @ 11:39 PM - RE: Vocal samples?
Now the genre has evolved and there are so many hybrids. Today, one could probably not call dance music the expression of DJ's alone. They themselves have become commercialized pop stars. The thing about true dance music is that it is faceless, nameless and constantly evolves into new forms. But the early influence of DJ's was always there. The dance genre feeds off "real" music with sequencing and sampling, but now you see well established musicians getting into techno and house. The circle is completed. I'm sure you will agree that there are intelligent forms of music made by DJ's, just as there is a lot a trash too.
I wish I was as ellequ.... elliquen.... er... good with English as jj, but unfortunately I'm not a native speaker.
Message 48/84 18-Jul-00 @ 03:49 AM - RE: Vocal samples?
Duchamp's vision (intellectual) was that of re/de contextualization. I think you'll find behind every great 'discovery' or 'creation' an act of recontextualization. Warhol picked up on this most potent of potent thoughts and continued the process, by de/re contextualizing just about anything he could get his hands/mind on: M. Monroe, tomato soup, empire state building, elvis, and on and on.
Of course, this is why I asked you about Koonts (and all the rest) in another thread, cause this guy is taking this power (recontext) to the extreme: Framing a nike poster of moses malone for example.
Let me put this in simple terms: if you and I were duking it out, and I could drop you with a kick, punch, trip combo, I'd be strong, now if you could drop me with a flick of your pinky's fingernail, surely you'd be the most potent mo fo around, ya? (though you'd prob be the queerest sonbitch about, anyway) I look at these fruits (warhol, koonts, though koonts did try to bulk up for his nudie photographes with his wife) as the strongest fools around, cause they don't need a canvas to splater their paint on in a J.D. stabalized fit of suppressed homosexual insecurity (read: j. pollack), but instead need a frame, or mearly a buisness card. Koonts with that silly poster jeapordizes: nike, the "corporation", professional athletics, race, nationalizm, polotics, economics, religion... with a simple frame. A frame my man, a frame. I see this as a powerfully intelligent act, which is indeed, by any standard, an act of creation through recontextualization.
This is why I'm so interested in sampling, and Djing(not that I dj). Sampling is the act of recontextualizing sound, is it not? And yes, in your sampler you can crunch, mangle, and whatever your sound into bits, but this really is infact just recontextualizing the original sound. Djing as well, (at it's best) is a similar act of recontextualizing through juxtoposition, sequencing, ect.
Now really, I'm on your side when it comes to all the foolio's out there that wanna be big boys, but shit man, I think there are far more interesting things out there to talk about, fer example...
Recontextualizing the lyrics for a song by cutting, pasting, sampling, juxtoposing, damn whatever you can think of. Now, the original post up there is not on par with the aformentioned pillars of contemporary thought, but do you wanna put limits on what that guy can achieve, or limit his futur posibilities? Who knows where his interests will take him! He could be sitting there listening to his canned lyrics, and receive inspiration for new directions in musical thought that can change the path of global consciousness. Yeah? Yes! Probably not, but I wouldn't put limits on any human's ability to see new posibilies. Possibilities, perhaps, he releases that song with canned lyrics, and some kid hears it and says this is the most inauthentic piece of shit I've ever heard, I'm gonna make music that means something... (read: Pongoid). Possibilites, too many possibilities out there.
So my suggestion to nickdej is read all these posts, and follow all of the good advice: get a mic, learn to sing, make contacts with other like minded people, meet super sexy bitches with great voices and low self esteem, and all the rest, but surely go out and download those canned lyrics, go download pongoid's tunes and start ripping that fucker off, just do it all (the marching band really starts to pump it here) but most of all, be fruitful and multiply. Multiply your options, possibilies, thoughts, actions, loves, tunes, romances, CREATE.
Message 49/84 18-Jul-00 @ 10:50 PM - RE: Vocal samples?
and no i dont think youare a stupid bitch ass wanker etc.
english is not my native language either...
Message 50/84 18-Jul-00 @ 11:52 PM - RE: Vocal samples?
I do agree with your go forth and multiply sentiment though far better to create how ever small and insignificant your creation may be,but always be prepared for criticism when you place it before an audience.
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