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Original Message Date: 14-Jun-00 @ 11:41 PM - Vocal samples?
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Message 61/84 21-Jul-00 @ 01:35 AM - RE: Vocal samples?
Fist of all, I want to emphasize that commercialization CREATED the act of plagiarism in art and music. Before the commercialization, it was common practice to work off of other peoples music, art etc, in order to learn and of course recontexturalize others ideas.
The problem with todays "plagiarism", however, is that it has taken the learning process out of the loop, it is now all about recontexturalizing that which is considered "profitable" you can see this very clearly in Warhol's art, (but because he was doing it intellectually, I see the intent behind his work as the thing that defines it as art).
You see, most DJ's are not playing records in order to learn from the great masters of techno. They aren't even doing it while intellectualising about the fact that they are the true representatives of this culture, yet they are not producers, they are consumers. They are doing it to profit from their use of other peoples work.
The same as boy bands who recycle each others same popular chord progressions over and over again so they can quadruple the record companies returns, most DJ's are choosing the music that they feel will get them a gig at that club downtown.
IMHO "art", at this point in time is no longer a creative venture. Art has really been an intellectual and political thing that started with the Dadaists in the visual domain and the Serialists in the musical domain at the turn of the century. Since that point, art and music moved further and further from the audience, and deeper into the recesses of the mind. The most recent being the minimalist movement. To be honest, I sometimes wonder whether western music and art has died with the minimalists, and thus techno is the last dying breath of the western minimalist musical movement. The next logical step, therefore, is to dive back into visual and sonic chaos, and pull out some new languages. DJ's are not artists, they are far from it, they are just consumers like any old lady buying a sinatra record and puttin it on her old victrola.
Peaceout,
Peter
Message 62/84 21-Jul-00 @ 03:49 AM - RE: Vocal samples?
Caspar, I don't think you can make the distinction between consumer and producer so easily. Everything in the universe has a mouth and an asshole, eternally linked by the most fundamental design elements of CREATION (CREATIon... CREAtion... Creation... creation <-fading reverbed out echo). Just so happens that Dj's are assholes... who cares, life without an asshole is a bitch, just go ask pict. See, that was uncalled for, and I apologize Pict, I just couldn't keep a straight face any longer.
Message 63/84 21-Jul-00 @ 08:40 AM - RE: Vocal samples?
noise is music.
hey, i'm still reading :]
Message 64/84 21-Jul-00 @ 08:52 PM - RE: Vocal samples?
Message 65/84 23-Jul-00 @ 06:52 AM - RE: Vocal samples?
just get everything ready for the session and be proffessional, and for the hour rate you'll get hundreds of unique vocal parts copyright to yourself which you can use again and again... superb!!!
Message 66/84 24-Jul-00 @ 03:00 AM - RE: Vocal samples?
Pict, beautiful, you've very wisely gathered that I take in more than I put out, very sharp.
Message 68/84 24-Jul-00 @ 01:03 PM - RE: Vocal samples?
Message 69/84 24-Jul-00 @ 01:10 PM - RE: Vocal samples?
http://www.maz-sound.com/products/_vocal-construction-kit/english.html
(just download the "demo sounds")... don't know if this helps, haven't heard any of them, just thought i'd try to help...
Message 70/84 30-Jul-00 @ 07:36 AM - RE: Vocal samples?
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