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Subject: Types of useful bass synthesis
Original Message 1/21 28-Jul-98 @ 09:25 AM - Types of useful bass synthesis
Well, I finally got my head round Pinnacle sampler linked up to CW and spent all last night having one huge orgasm as it became apparent that yes, it was sooo much easier to program drum tracks from CW than using imported loops or one-shot wavs or acid or any other way of programming even a vaguely complex rhythm track (love those controller-window-things, even just sweeping the pitchwheel randomly on breaks or fading the delay return up and down sounds great). So the point is, the drums are sorted, and i sampled some rhodes piano, and got some strings modulating about a bit and therefore I now am well on the way to getting the sound that i want (drum'n'bass-ish) BUT then i got stuck on the bass...
So, for bass, I have the following options: use the an1x, use my wavestation, use something like rebirth or vaz (no, don't laugh, rebirth can make a well-repspectable bass), sample a sine/pulse wave and mess with it (bearing in mind that the pinnacle is far from a fully-functional sampler so that that's not really an option until i get my a3000) or (hurrah) use general midi.
So my question is, for that deep jungle or ringing garage bass, can i get away with what I have. The AN1x does do some nice bassy sounds but they all sound a bit weak somehow - could it possibly be because the bass sound I'm looking for is FM-style??? (the an1x had only two fm operators). Would i benefit from buying a dx-synth? Bearing in mind that i am only just starting to program the an1x and therefore could *well* be understating the power of it...
So any tips? general hints on getting good clear bass would be appreciated greatly, as would any suggestions of gear to look out for. thanks
will
So, for bass, I have the following options: use the an1x, use my wavestation, use something like rebirth or vaz (no, don't laugh, rebirth can make a well-repspectable bass), sample a sine/pulse wave and mess with it (bearing in mind that the pinnacle is far from a fully-functional sampler so that that's not really an option until i get my a3000) or (hurrah) use general midi.
So my question is, for that deep jungle or ringing garage bass, can i get away with what I have. The AN1x does do some nice bassy sounds but they all sound a bit weak somehow - could it possibly be because the bass sound I'm looking for is FM-style??? (the an1x had only two fm operators). Would i benefit from buying a dx-synth? Bearing in mind that i am only just starting to program the an1x and therefore could *well* be understating the power of it...
So any tips? general hints on getting good clear bass would be appreciated greatly, as would any suggestions of gear to look out for. thanks
will
Message 2/21 28-Jul-98 @ 10:01 AM - RE: Types of useful bass synthesis
If you want a deep jungle bass just use the sine/pulse wave and if it has them use the pinnacles filters. Set the resonance really high and the cutoff almost at zero. That should give you a good subbass to use. Either that or, I'm not sure how the AN1x works set up a sine wave in it and do what I said before and you should get a pretty good sub bass sound.
arsenaul@niagara.com
arsenaul@niagara.com
Message 3/21 28-Jul-98 @ 10:12 AM - RE: Types of useful bass synthesis
Cool. So you basically make the bass frequencies really resonant? should've thought of that myself really. anyway, i'll try that on the an1x - the pinnacle does my head in really. the other thing i was thinking was....you know you get some basses that kind of dive if they sustain? like a pitch bend but not really? is there any special way to create that (iie is it something along the line os a sync sweep?) or is it just pitchbend?
been listening to the dj rap album - some cool stuff on that apart from the singing which is dreadful. "beats like this" - very simple, very cool. so anyway, that's the jungle side explained. how about garage bass? kilo?
will....
been listening to the dj rap album - some cool stuff on that apart from the singing which is dreadful. "beats like this" - very simple, very cool. so anyway, that's the jungle side explained. how about garage bass? kilo?
will....
Message 4/21 28-Jul-98 @ 10:39 AM - RE: Types of useful bass synthesis
If you happen to have an analog kbd or have a friend w/one borrow it for about a day, get abunch of one note samples with and without FX lots of FX . When you got all of your samples get'em all nice and tidy and spread them out over an octave or so and set the filters slightly different for some and you know...expirement. As for the DX series they produce some amazing basses my favorite DX is the DX100 but dont forget the infamous TX81Z also known for a couple of good sounds for a couple hundred bucks or less. Or try hooking a line into your mixer turning it up pretty loud and touching it to your temple , and sample it with or without FX and edit out the first POP! and use the hum, try it youll be suprised.
cya dannyc
cya dannyc
Message 5/21 28-Jul-98 @ 10:45 AM - RE: Types of useful bass synthesis
One way to create the effect you are mentioning about diving whilst sutaining is to use portamento. Make sure the filters don't reset during the slide though or it won't be very smooth.
Message 6/21 28-Jul-98 @ 03:55 PM - RE: Types of useful bass synthesis
Y'all probably know this but if you do'nt:
Turn the resonance on your synth (an1x or whatever) up high, so high it starts to selfoscillate. Then take the cutoff envelope and make a short attack and a rather long sustain, and start messing around.
You should get a booming sub-bass. Or at least I do, on my novation basstation.
Turn the resonance on your synth (an1x or whatever) up high, so high it starts to selfoscillate. Then take the cutoff envelope and make a short attack and a rather long sustain, and start messing around.
You should get a booming sub-bass. Or at least I do, on my novation basstation.
Message 7/21 28-Jul-98 @ 06:24 PM - RE: Types of useful bass synthesis
yeah... i like fm bass alot...... and after all, adding one is so cheap..... for what you get......
the pitch dive could be done by setting the pitch to the envelope decay of course
the pitch dive could be done by setting the pitch to the envelope decay of course
Message 8/21 31-Jul-98 @ 04:01 PM - RE: Types of useful bass synthesis
if that an1x works like my ex5 you should be able to get a fucking low-ass bass. I popped a set of headphones the other night because i had a bass patch so low and freaking loud i couldn't hear it and kept turning it up -- untill i heard my phones crack. jeez.
Message 9/21 31-Jul-98 @ 08:14 PM - RE: Types of useful bass synthesis
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you seem to have shitloads of equipment....you can't make a sub bass sound?
sorty that should have been in the slag place but whatever...interesting thing, that bit about the headphones, i did the same thing the other night with my juno; messing around with real low bass...don't think i fried 'em but they are way quiet now and the bass is GONE....
yeh, what they suggested about turning the resonance up and the cutoff down works great. sine waves are best suited to this purpose, but i got a great sub bass going using just the square sub-osc on my synth; lo cutoff, hi rezo..sometimes when i play a certain note with that patch, the frequency is just such that it buzzes like hell; don't know if this is universal or not, but all told, SUB BASS IS A VERY FINICKY THING. it's easy to get it so "sub" that it disappears, plus you've got to remember most people will be listening on speakers that can't pump out REAL low frequencies; anyway yeh i've never used the sampler unit you talk about but if it's got rezo filters try a sine wave.
sorty that should have been in the slag place but whatever...interesting thing, that bit about the headphones, i did the same thing the other night with my juno; messing around with real low bass...don't think i fried 'em but they are way quiet now and the bass is GONE....
yeh, what they suggested about turning the resonance up and the cutoff down works great. sine waves are best suited to this purpose, but i got a great sub bass going using just the square sub-osc on my synth; lo cutoff, hi rezo..sometimes when i play a certain note with that patch, the frequency is just such that it buzzes like hell; don't know if this is universal or not, but all told, SUB BASS IS A VERY FINICKY THING. it's easy to get it so "sub" that it disappears, plus you've got to remember most people will be listening on speakers that can't pump out REAL low frequencies; anyway yeh i've never used the sampler unit you talk about but if it's got rezo filters try a sine wave.
Message 10/21 31-Jul-98 @ 09:55 PM - RE: Types of useful bass synthesis
er.... ALWAYS be very carefiul with real analog synths and your speakers.... they dont like each other too much..... analog's fry speakers like no-body's business
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