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Subject: profestional reverb
Original Message 1/25 03-Aug-98 @ 06:54 PM - profestional reverb
i am looking for the best album(not demo) sounding reverb i can get for under $1000. is that possible?
Message 2/25 03-Aug-98 @ 07:07 PM - RE: profestional reverb
Sure is. the Alesis Wedge is a pro-quality unit for abou $400 us. If you want to spend more, check out Lexicon...
Message 3/25 03-Aug-98 @ 07:19 PM - RE: profestional reverb
The yamaha rev500 supposedly sounds as good as the upper-end models, & rev3's are going real cheap now. Alesis is good in it's versatility, Lexicons & yammies are so distinctive sounding, but quadraverbs are chameleons. Used pcm 70's are going sub-1000 nowadays, but I'd rather have an excellent yamaha than a half-rate lexicon.
Message 4/25 03-Aug-98 @ 07:34 PM - RE: profestional reverb
ps. the lexicon mpx100 also is cheap, and supposedly
sounds like a mpx-1 (but less programmable)..$249
list, $229 at guitar center....
sounds like a mpx-1 (but less programmable)..$249
list, $229 at guitar center....
Message 5/25 03-Aug-98 @ 08:03 PM - RE: profestional reverb
buggo
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holy shit. is it really worth spending so many hundreds of $$'s more to get a "proper" reverb when a used nanoverb is so cheap? i can't imagine how much of a difference there could possibly be...
(don't listen to me; i just use a chain of guitar pedals...he he...)
but really, what's the difference?
(don't listen to me; i just use a chain of guitar pedals...he he...)
but really, what's the difference?
Message 6/25 03-Aug-98 @ 08:17 PM - RE: profestional reverb
The difference is that a proper reverb supports the original signal, makes it stronger yet gives the illusion that it's physically elsewhere in the mix, whereas a cheap reverb takes up a lot of space and sounds separate from the signal. It takes a good engineer to really make it worthwhile, which is why the wedge is nice, 'cause it makes it easy to "tune" your ears like when you work on a Lexicon 3000 or 224.
You're right, though, it's not the kind of difference you'd understand without experience. Once I heard it, everything changed.
TIP: Don't try to make a professional-sounding record w/ cheap reverb! Make it a little too dry and it'll sound like an underproduced pro as opposed to an overproduced indie.
You're right, though, it's not the kind of difference you'd understand without experience. Once I heard it, everything changed.
TIP: Don't try to make a professional-sounding record w/ cheap reverb! Make it a little too dry and it'll sound like an underproduced pro as opposed to an overproduced indie.
Message 7/25 03-Aug-98 @ 08:30 PM - RE: profestional reverb
hehe
what´s about the software "TC-Native Reverb ?"
what do you think does it sound like (compare HardW/SoftW)
more a cheap one or more a exp. one
Holger
what´s about the software "TC-Native Reverb ?"
what do you think does it sound like (compare HardW/SoftW)
more a cheap one or more a exp. one
Holger
Message 8/25 04-Aug-98 @ 06:54 AM - RE: profestional reverb
buggo
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how's the nanoverb then?
not that I'm considering buying one...I never use reverb 'cause it doesn't go at all with the kind of music that I do...on the rare occasions that I do, I run it thru an old spring reverb I've got kickin around. But I gotta say, although I was kidding in the post above, guitar pedals really are THE SHIT...I use a DOD classic fuzz for distortion; it sounds great and nasty, you can crank the shit out of the distortion, to the point where the sound just breaks up...I also just got an ibanez delay pedal, which is quite nice, although it doesn't have a delay time readout (duh.) But if you spend about 15 seconds playing a loop thru the pedal, tweaking the delay-time knob until you've got it right, it works just great! It's not hard at all to get it right, and easy as a knob twist to offset it just a bit for some awesome effects...best thing of all this though is that when you have it on a fairly short delay time, then while a sound is going thru it, like a vocal sample (especially!) you turn down the delay time, it time-stretches it in realtime and gives you AWESOME bizarre delayed fucked-up noises...I once made a super-cool siren-type noise by screaming into a mic thru the pedal and turning the delay time down...
as kilo said in the FM synth thread (TX81z?) this music all originated with shite equipment, and while you're probably right about nice reverb (which reminds me, some very NICELY DONE reverb, not overdone at all, is on Climbatize on the fat of the land CD...funny i noticed this, but it was one of the first things I really heard when I listened to the song; it's not overkill!) some old cheap nasty FX can be super creative tools...
maybe i only say this because I have cheap shit. Yeah.
i'll shut the FUCK up now.
he he.
(i HAVE heard great things about the wedge...)
not that I'm considering buying one...I never use reverb 'cause it doesn't go at all with the kind of music that I do...on the rare occasions that I do, I run it thru an old spring reverb I've got kickin around. But I gotta say, although I was kidding in the post above, guitar pedals really are THE SHIT...I use a DOD classic fuzz for distortion; it sounds great and nasty, you can crank the shit out of the distortion, to the point where the sound just breaks up...I also just got an ibanez delay pedal, which is quite nice, although it doesn't have a delay time readout (duh.) But if you spend about 15 seconds playing a loop thru the pedal, tweaking the delay-time knob until you've got it right, it works just great! It's not hard at all to get it right, and easy as a knob twist to offset it just a bit for some awesome effects...best thing of all this though is that when you have it on a fairly short delay time, then while a sound is going thru it, like a vocal sample (especially!) you turn down the delay time, it time-stretches it in realtime and gives you AWESOME bizarre delayed fucked-up noises...I once made a super-cool siren-type noise by screaming into a mic thru the pedal and turning the delay time down...
as kilo said in the FM synth thread (TX81z?) this music all originated with shite equipment, and while you're probably right about nice reverb (which reminds me, some very NICELY DONE reverb, not overdone at all, is on Climbatize on the fat of the land CD...funny i noticed this, but it was one of the first things I really heard when I listened to the song; it's not overkill!) some old cheap nasty FX can be super creative tools...
maybe i only say this because I have cheap shit. Yeah.
i'll shut the FUCK up now.
he he.
(i HAVE heard great things about the wedge...)
Message 9/25 04-Aug-98 @ 11:26 AM - RE: profestional reverb
"I once made a super-cool siren-type noise by screaming into a mic thru the pedal and turning the delay time down... "
This is what the chemical brothers used on that song they made with the boke from oasis (can't remember what neither of them are called). The cool siren-sound. But they used a tape-echo.
This is what the chemical brothers used on that song they made with the boke from oasis (can't remember what neither of them are called). The cool siren-sound. But they used a tape-echo.
Message 10/25 04-Aug-98 @ 12:24 PM - RE: profestional reverb
yup the Siren effect is listed in the Delay section of the FX rack...it is real easy to do, and sounds great, and you can play with the siren in a mix or live to go (just like a real police siren) from fast modulate to wide sweep.....after all, a police siren is simply the same thing in a fixed unit..... as for the nanoverb, my mate who owns the a3000 has one, and i have to say i was most impressed, but like the guys say above,... the secret of the Pro reverb sound (apart from the quality of the algorithms, is the way it is set up.... the editing of the parameters is like a delay, what makes it 'sit' right....... quadraverbs are as noisey as shit... great for a cheap budget reverb cos it does fx too, but i reckon too noisey and certainly not high enuff quality for what this guy wants.... personally i didn't like the cheaper lex models i heard..... they sounded to intrusive.... the s/h pcm70 was a good suggestion....... like Hilly says ..... better to under use it...... over-use of reverb is the classic beginners mistake..... and even more so to use less if your reverb is not so great....
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