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Original Message Date: 05-Dec-03 @ 10:01 PM - Tempo to match 24/25 FPS

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Hi,

I was wondering if anyone knows what the exact tempo a song should be so that I could do a seemless, exactly on the bar edit in an AvidDV editing system? What would 24FPS or 25FPS match up to tempo-wise on a sequencer? With say 1 or 2 seconds being a bar? I know it would be a hell of a lot easier to cut a track down in sound forge or something like that but... it would be something interesting to know. (and I can't find a calculator!!)

Cheers,
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Message 11/16 07-Dec-03 @ 07:31 PM - RE: Tempo to match 24/25 FPS

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its a weird question iam doing a course which teaches you to right music to film or video running at 24/25 fps and what you sync to are the edits which are in smpte time and not all edits will fall on perfect beats or bars, this is the skill of scoring to picture doing musical acrobatics to hit your hit points on time within 2 frames.any film or video that has edits or cuts that are a perfect "tempo" will just look plain horrible and is rarely done.

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Message 12/16 08-Dec-03 @ 12:49 AM - RE: Tempo to match 24/25 FPS

Optofonik - AKA, mick, rhyze, etc.

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Malk, if you are scoring with pencil and paper then a click book and the picture editor's logs seem essential. Would you agree?

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Message 13/16 08-Dec-03 @ 10:04 AM - RE: Tempo to match 24/25 FPS

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where writing to frame rate friendly bpm might be usefull is when you're writing beds and stings for tv background music, video editors will frequently edit the audio in avid to make up a backing track the length they require. because avid only edits audio to frames it might not be accurate enough to get a nice audio edit. i'll pester me video editing mate tonight about it.

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Message 14/16 09-Dec-03 @ 01:59 PM - RE: Tempo to match 24/25 FPS

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I would get it close and then timestretch the appropriate pieces to make it perfect.

-Craig

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Message 15/16 09-Dec-03 @ 10:36 PM - RE: Tempo to match 24/25 FPS

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In reply to Optophonik, the peices i have put music to so far have been in digitised quicktime format, picture locked with smpte time code, and hit points that need to be made are indicated in bold smpte time, in real life you can work them out yourself, as the quicktime or avid if you use a pc appears inside logic audio it perfectley syncs to your sequencer, so if you take your hit points or editors notes on frames that edits occur you can put them into your seqencer as markers which appear on your time line or above the main arrange window as marks along your bars and beats line. This way your can juggle tempo to see if one fits a couple of your main hit points and do music contortions to hit the others, or tempo changes or insert different timings ie one bar of 3/4 or what ever works,its confusing but you begin to get a feel for things, so when you watch films where major composers have done whole scores you soon learn this a very complex thing, but as we all know the rewards of acheivment are well deserved.

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Message 16/16 10-Dec-03 @ 09:45 PM - RE: Tempo to match 24/25 FPS

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Cheers Rhyze i'll have to check it out. Do you think it would be something i could find in a library? Very few euros at the mo, being this time of the year and all that.

What I was doing when I asked was that I had a ticking clock (a timebomb sort of thing, offscreen) and I made a tick tock thing with my sampler and Rm1x at a tempo of 110bpm. The problem was when I wanted to loop the 30 second sample in Avid, so that the edit would be seemless, it wouldn't work. So 120 bpm would of been perfect. I guess being able to cut something at 120bpm would have enormous practical benefits in AVID. Espeacially FX and such. The music thing I agree, nothing like music should ever be so exact or rigid.

(and yes I know that a clock only ticks every second and tocks every other second, but who cares when it can't be seen

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Thanks for the suggestions/answers/ reply's. Much appreciated.

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