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Original Message 1/17 21-Aug-98 @ 07:23 PM - First FX....

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Ok, I don't own any outboard FX yet. I'm not rich but I'm really curious about getting some changes to my synths..Everybody has seen rebirth Yes? Ok, what FX would simulate the PCF on Rebirth? That seems to be the most dramatic change...of course if I should just get a cheap distortion pedal lemmie know!.....

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Message 2/17 21-Aug-98 @ 08:36 PM - RE: First FX....

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The Zoom 1201 is pretty cheap.

Check out the new budget Lexicon too!

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Message 3/17 21-Aug-98 @ 09:22 PM - RE: First FX....

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What are they? What do they do?

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Message 4/17 22-Aug-98 @ 10:52 AM - RE: First FX....

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just general multi-fx.
Lexicon is more based around reverb but has got ring-modulator/chorus/flanger/tremelo, the usual stuff.

The Zoom has got loads plus special lo-fi and vocoder FX but the quality isn't as good as the lexicon.

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Message 5/17 26-Aug-98 @ 06:00 PM - RE: First FX....

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If you budget yourself about $400 and check the used ads, you can get a really killer guitar FX processor, like a Digitech 2101, or an ART SGX-2000... I've got the SGX, and if it can't do what you need... buy an Eventide!

-Craig

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Message 6/17 26-Aug-98 @ 07:22 PM - RE: First FX....

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I've got a zoom 1201, and the multitude of different effects you can get out of it is really nice, especially for such a low price. Downside is that it's probably the noisiest thing I've got right now, and it's got no user banks or something where you can store effects settings. I especially like the distortion in the zoom, but I haven't used any other distortion effects units so far, so can't compare.

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Message 7/17 27-Aug-98 @ 12:16 PM - RE: First FX....

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why not, instead of going for one unit that can do several things and costs 300/400 dollars, go for three or four seperate fx units (like say delay reverb compression and a chorus/flanger/phaser whatever) that costs the same amount but gives you more felxibilty - you can have the drums going through the compressor, a synth on the delay, flange the vocals, add a touch of reverb to each one.

which isn't possible with an all-in-one unit. and cheap stuff always makes you feel better for buying a bargain.....you can get delays for less than 50 quid, reverb (microverb) for less than 50 quid, guitar pedals are all what, 40-60quid a throw and the alesis nanocomp i got for 60.....

its more fun as well. because the all-in-ones tend to be menu-based whereas the cheaper stuff just has three or four knobs on the front....

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Message 8/17 27-Aug-98 @ 02:49 PM - RE: First FX....

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i picked up a boss SE50 in '93 for $375 (US) and the only thing i wish it did that it doesn't is have a knob to twiddle the parameters live, ie. delay time. some of the parameters have little clicks when you change the settings, but for the most part, these are settings you probably don't want to mess with live, unless you're a hardcore tweakfreak like myself. overall, very satisfying bunch for the price.

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Message 9/17 27-Aug-98 @ 04:48 PM - RE: First FX....

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I guess maybe it takes a guitar player to know, but...

Many of these FX units which respond to MIDI control can be controlled by continuous controller messages. With guitarists, usually that means things like using a Wah-type pedal to control pitchbend, or wah-wah, or something similar, but some of these units allow you to tweak parameters realtime using these controllers... by that rationale, you could set up the Assign2 knob on a CS1X to control delay time...

-Craig

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Message 10/17 27-Aug-98 @ 05:02 PM - RE: First FX....

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ok, thanks guys! I'm still curious what the pcf on rebirth does. Is it a compressor? What would be equvalent to the pcf?

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Message 11/17 27-Aug-98 @ 05:06 PM - RE: First FX....

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about the se-50...i have the se-70 (its big brother)
and it has one knob for value changing, plus it
has an expression pedal input, plus it can respond to
up to 4 midi controllers (ccs, aftertouch, pitchbend,
etc) for control of parameters. not everything, but
certainly better than just a couple of buttons....
maybe the se-50 has some of this midi control too?
btw, the se-70 is one awesome effects machine,
if you can find one cheap....

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Message 12/17 27-Aug-98 @ 06:54 PM - RE: First FX....

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the PCF is Precision Control Filter...

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Message 13/17 27-Aug-98 @ 07:45 PM - RE: First FX....

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the PCF in ReBirth is a special filter (actually i think it's 'Pattern Controlled Filter'). at any rate, the only outboard gear that is gonna come close is probably a Waldorf 4-pole, but even then you would need to be controlling some of the parameters via MIDI to get the same effects as PCF. i know that some parameters in the 4-pole are MIDI controllable, just dunno if the ones you would need are. it would take some fiddling, anyways, i imagine.

the 4-pole looks pretty cool - would like to own one someday. but if you're looking for your first effects box, i would go with something a bit more versatile, or at least something you will use all the time, like a dedicated reverb (in which case i would recommend the Alesis Wedge, which you may still be able to get at Guitar Center for $100).

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Message 14/17 27-Aug-98 @ 08:30 PM - RE: First FX....

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Cool guys, thanks for the advise....

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Message 15/17 28-Aug-98 @ 02:16 AM - RE: First FX....

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I would suggest a bunch of effects pedals. Boss makes absolutely the best ones; nice and quiet with good sound. They cost a little more but are worth it....and FX pedals are infinitely twiddleable, they have a big fat button for turning them on and off (pedal...duh) and are easy to work with, etc etc...

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Message 16/17 28-Aug-98 @ 02:47 AM - RE: First FX....

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just in case anyone's shopping, the boss se50 does have many parameters midi controllable thru pedals and wheels, but not delay time.

i still luv it for it's versatility - 28 algorithms, 100 writeables, several dedicated algs ie. 7 reverbs, delays, phaser, rotary, vocoder, and multis w. eq/del/pha/rev combos or such. also a few where you can feed two mono sigs thru two stereo algs. haven't checked to see if there's a review, but there you go. compared to the low end gear i've used, i think it's got a clean sound.

kilo asked me to wait until september, but sometime i'll post a demo of my 'candy ass - tapeworm mix' by 'secs,' to demonstrate what can be done with limited kit. this is just a mirage 8 bit mono sampler thru the boss and i don't mind if i do say that i worked those two to the extreme.

oh and can somebody pick up my thread on speech synthesizers? does anyone use/have one?

gracias,
xoxos.

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Message 17/17 28-Aug-98 @ 03:33 PM - RE: First FX....

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The D-pole isn't the only stand-alone filter. Peavey has one (Spectrum Analog Filter) and
Mutronics (Mutron Filter?? - supposedly sounds like a MiniMoog filter..) and these two are both controllable over MIDI. The Sherman Filter Bank is also an old favourite, and any analog with external input should be able to do something similiar.

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