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Original Message 1/20 21-Sep-98 @ 05:48 PM - Recording guitar

99devils

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As a related thread to the "off-topic" thing, who here records guitar? How do you do it? Do you mic? Use a speaker simulator? Processor?

I record guitar using mics and direct off my processor. Usually for mic'ing I'll close mic the cab.

Anyone use any alternate methods?

-Craig

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Message 2/20 21-Sep-98 @ 06:54 PM - not off-topic at all...

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i've been using a SansAmp for a while now with good results. but i really need to learn to properly mic my amp, cos there's some tones i just can't get with a simulator.

i've recorded direct thru a desk before and it sounded like utter shit - all tinny and flat. speaker/amp simulators are good investments, i think. what's cool is that some of the newer samplers have one included in the effects section (e.g. ASR-X and EX5).

the only other way i can think of off the top of me head is coming direct out the amp. no idea how that would sound. Johnson made an amp in conjuntion with Digitech that was really designed with studio use and direct recording in mind - bit pricey though...

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Message 3/20 21-Sep-98 @ 06:57 PM - oh yah, i forgot

skul

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a cool used peice of gear to look for - the elusive Alesis QuadraVerb GT. multieffects unit with an amp simulator built in. cool sounds... i wouldn't pay more than $200 for one, though.

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Message 4/20 21-Sep-98 @ 09:08 PM - RE: Recording guitar

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The only midi guitar processor that sounds close to an actual amp is the marshall jmp1.It's also got a great amp simulater built in as well. The sansamp is great for either shred or clean and has more control than the marshall but no character.The sansamp has a dedicated simulater patch but it's crap. For a REAL sound use a valve amp with an sm57 placed at the edge of the speaker. Crank to eleven and get the fuck outa the room. Dale

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Message 5/20 22-Sep-98 @ 01:42 AM - RE: Recording guitar

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nah bollox. !!.. all racks are shite !!! :-).... i take an adat into a cheap reheqrsal room... crank it up full-bore... and record... take the adat home, and mix !!..... loud throbbing cabinet is the way to go if poss'.....

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Message 6/20 22-Sep-98 @ 12:50 PM - RE: Recording guitar

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at least three mics...close, then foot or so then 3ft or so...if more mics then take them further for some ambience if you want it/if the room sounds good...mix all yer mics to give one fat sound...even changing the close mics by a couple of degrees or inch one way or t'other will make a BIG difference...set it up...try it...change it...experiment with mic types...

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Message 7/20 22-Sep-98 @ 01:17 PM - RE: Recording guitar

David

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Even the cheap Mesa Boogies sound great through their
recording out jacks, really convincing cab scream or clean. If you have the room to mic up a Marshall, try to find a Power Soak or get the Marshall thingy so you can stay in the same room with the amp. Use an sm-57 and listen to your individual speakers for which one to mic -they really do all sound a little different.

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Message 8/20 22-Sep-98 @ 02:12 PM - RE: Recording guitar

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I've found that, especially for the industrial thing, sometimes direct sounds really good throug a speaker simulator, with some EQing... Anyone seen/heard anything about the Line6 POD? Sounds like a box which contains their Amp Farm plug-in for protools... KMFDM rave about the plug-in, and the POD is only like US300... programmable via MIDI with like 12 amp models...

Sounds interesting.

-Craig

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Message 9/20 22-Sep-98 @ 03:34 PM - RE: Recording guitar

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yep kilo is right all racks are shite although he deeds to listen to the jmp1 as this is the best of the midi controlled units. It's a tradeoff though. Convenience live over musical purity. I make a living as a cover band player in Australia and need flexibility at the push of a button. I can get this thing to cook however at a descent volume and I record it with an SM57 into vs-1680 which is better than spending hours fucking around with a PC that still wants to be a word processor. For the ultimate sound however nothing beats a non mastervolume Marshall or an AC30 or old twin or some of the new A class reissues.Dale

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Message 10/20 23-Sep-98 @ 03:12 AM - RE: Recording guitar

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An amp simulator does the trick for me.
I use some Zoom stuff for that - its quite versatile - the acoustic guitar sim is a load of shite though!

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Message 11/20 23-Sep-98 @ 03:33 AM - RE: Recording guitar

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ahhh, at last! something i can speak about with SOME authority!

marshalls, sm57's, fenders, tubes are great but you can get some really interesting character sounds with a tiny practice amp, distortion box, crappy mic and a closet. place the amp in the closet and close mic it; you can get it as loud as you want...

also try recording the guitar into 4track cassettes first then try crapping up the tape: wrinkling it by hand, overdubbing several times for cool generation loss and also inputing at hot levels to produce tape saturation. and THEN sample that.

try this: mic up your amp the normal way then run a separate cabinet into your bathroom or any ambient space then mic THAT (natural reverb)

god i'm full of this: use headphones as mic, mic the strings of your electric and mix that with the amplified sound, etc. etc.

check out other home recording sites there's tons of tips: gajoob, etc.

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Message 12/20 23-Sep-98 @ 07:59 AM - RE: Recording guitar

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Boo Hoo.. My Marshall is too loud to record, it's only good for playing live.. My neighbors would call the cops again... Actually, I've been seriously considering investing in a bass guitar and a small but nice guitar amp, like a Fender Twin Reverb or something.. Am I so wrong?

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Message 13/20 23-Sep-98 @ 11:33 AM - RE: Recording guitar

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sedusa about the marshall being too loud. there is a thing called a marshall power brake which means you can run at 11 at low volume. then maybe stick a red box on the thing or stick it thru a 12 watt peavy rage or some little practice amp. never tried the power brake but hope it's better than the tom scholtz power soak as that was crap. as for the twin. they're not exactly quiet either. apparantly the original all valve 12 watt fender champ was the nutz. if ya see one of those. GET IT! dale

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Message 14/20 23-Sep-98 @ 01:21 PM - RE: Recording guitar

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Oh, I know... But my stack is HUGE and only sounds really kick ass when it's ear-bleedingly loud... dunno about the power brake.. Isn't it supposed to be a thang for the old Marshalls? The ones that have no Gain control?

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Message 15/20 23-Sep-98 @ 02:11 PM - RE: Recording guitar

melon

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Hey ratfink, give us some URLs of other home recording sites, please.

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Message 16/20 23-Sep-98 @ 03:35 PM - RE: Recording guitar

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The PowerBrake works! If I could afford one, i'd buy one. I do have one problem, though. I use on sm57 on the edge of my speaker and at relatively moderate volume, there are excessive boosts in bass frequencies. I go through a mackie 1604 with the low cut on, bass turned down, and a Sovtek with the bass next to nothing. It isn't bassy when I crank and play. Only when I mic it. Any suggestions. I have to record 12 songs in the next month and I really need some advice. Also have a marshall jcm-900 and fender twin. any ideas? I need a huge sound!

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Message 17/20 23-Sep-98 @ 05:59 PM - RE: Recording guitar

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srend. interesting prob about the bass.Try getting the speaker cab off the ground then moving the mike closer to the centre of the speaker. I'm assuming for a tight rock rythm sound you're using the bridge pickup, as the neck pickup with distortion will always produce a farty inconsistant tone. mike placement can be very critical. If this doesn't work try an Audiotechnica ATM63 if you can find one. they're cheap and crappy and sound good for guitar. dale

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Message 18/20 24-Sep-98 @ 04:59 AM - RE: Recording guitar

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melon:

hope these still work, they've been in my bookmarks folder for over a year...

http://www.netplus.net/~aloeffler/
http://members.aol.com/DCMagnuson/index.html
http://www.csd.net/~muji/indiecentre.html
http://www.utw.com/~gajoob/
http://www.guitarplayer.com
http://members.aol.com/uniquenyc/keyboard.html

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Message 19/20 24-Sep-98 @ 02:09 PM - RE: Recording guitar

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Some more things to try for the bass problem...

Try distance miking, miking off axis, and miking the back of the cabinet (if it is open back).

Actually, I generally prefer miking open back cabinets from the back.

-Craig

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Message 20/20 24-Sep-98 @ 03:14 PM - RE: Recording guitar

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Thanks guys. I'll give your suggestions a try.

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