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Subject: Computer-based music studio: what is required
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Original Message 1/20 23-Jun-98 @ 06:42 PM - Computer-based music studio: what is required
I notice that all discussion groups here are aimed on advanced users but there is nothing for beginners that would like to start out .
Well, I am one of those. I don't know much about this stuff but my goal is to build a computer-based music studio avoiding expensive hardware as much as possible.
This is my system:
p200mmx, 32mb ram, 5.9gb hd, ricoh mp6200a cdrw, sb16 soundcard
These are my software purchases and family gifts:
gigasampler, cubase vst, soundforge, soundforge acid, rebirth, easy cd creator and fruity loops.
What else do I need (software, hardware) ? Do I need a synth or a simple keyoboard , better soundcard ? Please give me some ideas on a complete studio based on my stuff and things i still need.
My aim is to create dance music, techno, drum'n base etc...
Any help will be appreciated.
Dalibor
Well, I am one of those. I don't know much about this stuff but my goal is to build a computer-based music studio avoiding expensive hardware as much as possible.
This is my system:
p200mmx, 32mb ram, 5.9gb hd, ricoh mp6200a cdrw, sb16 soundcard
These are my software purchases and family gifts:
gigasampler, cubase vst, soundforge, soundforge acid, rebirth, easy cd creator and fruity loops.
What else do I need (software, hardware) ? Do I need a synth or a simple keyoboard , better soundcard ? Please give me some ideas on a complete studio based on my stuff and things i still need.
My aim is to create dance music, techno, drum'n base etc...
Any help will be appreciated.
Dalibor
Message 2/20 23-Jun-98 @ 06:48 PM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
A DB50 XG daughter card for your SB would give you a nice
synth for cheap moneys....I think they're down to 120 american dollars....Maybe get making waves for samples...
And of course XG-EDIT.........
Good Luck...
Blunted...
P.S. you might want to check out the starter setups section....
synth for cheap moneys....I think they're down to 120 american dollars....Maybe get making waves for samples...
And of course XG-EDIT.........
Good Luck...
Blunted...
P.S. you might want to check out the starter setups section....
Message 3/20 23-Jun-98 @ 07:17 PM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
A DB50 XG daughter card for your SB would give you a nice
synth for cheap moneys....I think they're down to 120 american dollars....Maybe get making waves for samples...
And of course XG-EDIT.........
Good Luck...
Blunted...
P.S. you might want to check out the starter setups section....
synth for cheap moneys....I think they're down to 120 american dollars....Maybe get making waves for samples...
And of course XG-EDIT.........
Good Luck...
Blunted...
P.S. you might want to check out the starter setups section....
Message 4/20 23-Jun-98 @ 07:18 PM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
How did that post twice???
Message 5/20 24-Jun-98 @ 09:58 PM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
Are you serious, youve got all this stuff and you don't know what to do with it?
Firstly, its going to take you a couple of weeks or even months to get to grips with it!
But, if you have no intention of going out live then invest in a MIDI controller keyboard, a PHAT boy external filter controller and a decent sound card, e.g. Terratec EWS64!
Then you'll be grooving but you've got most of the computer based studio software anyway!
Firstly, its going to take you a couple of weeks or even months to get to grips with it!
But, if you have no intention of going out live then invest in a MIDI controller keyboard, a PHAT boy external filter controller and a decent sound card, e.g. Terratec EWS64!
Then you'll be grooving but you've got most of the computer based studio software anyway!
Message 6/20 24-Jun-98 @ 11:11 PM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
Well you have Gigasampler, me too, so fucking great app!
Get a load of sample CDs. I donīt think you need to buy a synth. Use your money to buy samples and there plenty of samples to download on internet. Maybe you should buy a simple keyboard, but if you like "painting steps" in cubase etc, donīt buy a keyboard. I have SoundForge too but havenīt used it much, how many channels does it have?
Cool Edit Pro has 64 stereo channels. Have only used it a little because I have Roland VS-880 harddisk recording.
Well buy yourself some sample CDs. I bought one yesterday
maybe you want some samples for Giga, leave your mail and I will get back to you.
Andreas
Get a load of sample CDs. I donīt think you need to buy a synth. Use your money to buy samples and there plenty of samples to download on internet. Maybe you should buy a simple keyboard, but if you like "painting steps" in cubase etc, donīt buy a keyboard. I have SoundForge too but havenīt used it much, how many channels does it have?
Cool Edit Pro has 64 stereo channels. Have only used it a little because I have Roland VS-880 harddisk recording.
Well buy yourself some sample CDs. I bought one yesterday
maybe you want some samples for Giga, leave your mail and I will get back to you.
Andreas
Message 7/20 28-Jun-98 @ 12:08 AM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
Here are some of my ideas that I came up with in the past couple of days to add to my software list to create a computer-based studio.
I would like to know what do you people think....
Yamaha EX5 synth...........plus a 20bit card for recording (what do you people suggest for a good cheap card ? Would i need a terratec ews64s ?
OR
could I get away with the ews64s only and perhaps a cheap $200 midi keyboard plus keep buying tons of sample cds ? Are the sounds of the card good enough ? I must say I am a big audiophile.
The thing is I wanna blow money on ex5 but do I really need it ? I don't even know how to play piano yet but I want to learn. I don't think It should be too much of a problem as I can read notes and have 10 music experience playing the violin.
Anyways.....I would like some comments on what you people think....
Dalibor
I would like to know what do you people think....
Yamaha EX5 synth...........plus a 20bit card for recording (what do you people suggest for a good cheap card ? Would i need a terratec ews64s ?
OR
could I get away with the ews64s only and perhaps a cheap $200 midi keyboard plus keep buying tons of sample cds ? Are the sounds of the card good enough ? I must say I am a big audiophile.
The thing is I wanna blow money on ex5 but do I really need it ? I don't even know how to play piano yet but I want to learn. I don't think It should be too much of a problem as I can read notes and have 10 music experience playing the violin.
Anyways.....I would like some comments on what you people think....
Dalibor
Message 8/20 28-Jun-98 @ 05:01 AM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
first up, you've got to do a midi test on that VST set-up.... if it will not play a straight looped 4 or 8 bars row of 16th drum sound notes, sounding like a machine gun... perfectly robotic with spot on timing, then forget it, unless you use sample loops for drums and all fast rhythmic stuff......
if it is spot on,cool...... if not... you either get it so it is, or you'll have to work in VST with loops, except for stuff that doesnt require timing spot-on-ness !!... (pads, string parts etc)...these loops can be from sample disks or whatever,, software based from other programmes, or use somthing like sequence 303 to create arpegiated loops to fire the db50 xg or other synth, external synth etc, and record it...... (see SEQ=303 review page RA demo)
ideally, the classic dance set-up, is a sequencer, sampler, and an old mono-synth or poly synth or two.....maybe also a drum box....
so,.... you can try to reproduce that with the pc..... again, the ability to use VST successfully (assuming that is your chosen sequencer) is a decider.... otherwise, try cakewalk pro audio V5.X... (no realtime fx, or realtime eq, and only 2 outs, but very stable and easy to come by..and it'll do what vst does in terms of playing your loops just fine.)
ok..... assuming we have VSt working right,..... it can do all your loops.... but, you still need a sampler function to be able to 'play' samples over notes and all the other excellent creative stuff samplers give....... now.. that can be an internal sampling card... or external....
there are a few contenders.... on paper the terratec ews seems to be the best... there are mixed reports as to it's ability to set-up and work right in systems, and as of yet, i dunno how it works with vst.... it's early days right now for all this new technolgy... it'll iron out i reckon in about a year..... anyway.... check it out.... then as the man said above.... you need a master keyboard to tap on.... if you get an old yamaha dx21,27,9..... you can get real yammy 4op fm in your sound arsenal too.... classic sounds..... that's it really....
, the EWS is supposed to be having this double Waldorf-Microwave synth unit out some time.... that'd do excellent synth stuff on top of it's standard 4mb rom synth... but again, cannot say how well it works... (without the Waldorf mod even)....... analog??.... you can fake it with rebirth for some stuff... it makes great stuff rebirth..... all the s/wares do.....
, but really, the essence is about evolving stuff too... organic over mechanical.... y'know... when they meet, you get good dance music i reckon... and in that respect, i cannot emphasise enuff the value of the traditional set-up... at least get a synth you can real-time.... an old analog mono and converter, or a newer modeller or whatever.... you can layer it to bitz with the sampler/VST audio tracks... drums... sampler.. ......loops... sampler/VST audio..... etc....tha'd do it... you can try to control rebirth via midi, dunno how successful you'll be with it....
. if you plan to use midi sequencing with triggered samples for drums, midi'd synth-cards or external kit and other sequencing sounds as opposed to working with loops & audio only...... you'd better get that vst midi timing spot on, or it'll sound like utter kak.....
oh yeah... other excellent s/h purchase for a master keyboard, and you get a realtime synth .... the old basstation is pretty good... but the db50 can do rwal nice widdly stuff to....if i had a choice, i'd get the basstation as a master, cos i get a cheap synth too, and the small keyboard is aftertouch enabled...... and it has a couple of control wheels etc...... plus, an old dx module... dx100, tx81z, fb01 etc... or a keyboard version... but get those sounds...cos you'll recognise alot of them....
Message 9/20 28-Jun-98 @ 10:07 AM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
shit,....I wish I had your money to spend......have fun,
it has to come from deep with in your soul........like
that chick you couldn't stop thinking about......consuming
every moment of your thoughts........everyone has had to
begin..sometime...somewhere....it's the evolving that becomes substance, and flows into creation....
it has to come from deep with in your soul........like
that chick you couldn't stop thinking about......consuming
every moment of your thoughts........everyone has had to
begin..sometime...somewhere....it's the evolving that becomes substance, and flows into creation....
Message 10/20 28-Jun-98 @ 12:21 PM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
Seeing as you're going with a mostly software setup.. and you've got gigasampler thingy whatever that is.. just get some free soft synths like Stomper or AXS. Spend some time learning them so you can create a shitload of your own unique sounds.. then use them in your sampler thingy and fruity loops... get Recycle and replace the drum sounds.... thats all you need really.. you've got enough stuff to kick ass already.. :-) Might want a nice quiet soundcard though... even a AWE64gold would do the job... or EWS64S but the 'S' model can't fit a daughterboard I don't think....
Message 11/20 28-Jun-98 @ 12:28 PM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
Most important thing is probably to learn all that software you've got inside out though.. first... 'cause it will pay off later.
Message 12/20 28-Jun-98 @ 12:58 PM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
Most important thing is probably to learn all that software you've got inside out though.. first... 'cause it will pay off later.
Message 13/20 28-Jun-98 @ 01:02 PM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
Doh! I hate it when that happens.... oh well...other thing was get another 32 RAM 'cause you'll be needing it...and look after your PC.... ie defrag it every now and then...don't put hacked shit on there blah blah blah...
Message 14/20 28-Jun-98 @ 06:16 PM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
what do you mean...dont put hacked shit it there...and if not how the fuck do you use 'hacked shit?
Zip drive?
Zip drive?
Message 15/20 29-Jun-98 @ 03:13 AM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
You don't use hacked software genius... or if you do then bear it mind it will quite possibly screw your system up totally.... sooner or later.
Message 16/20 19-Jul-98 @ 07:42 AM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
just HOW exactly will hacked software fuck up your computer, programmer?
all that is 'hacked' is an overide of the 'safety', or 'protection' device that prevents it from being used. it is NO more hazardous than retail software.
your old wives tales are tedious, and i am turbo.
all that is 'hacked' is an overide of the 'safety', or 'protection' device that prevents it from being used. it is NO more hazardous than retail software.
your old wives tales are tedious, and i am turbo.
Message 17/20 19-Jul-98 @ 07:43 AM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
just HOW exactly will hacked software fuck up your computer, programmer?
all that is 'hacked' is an overide of the 'safety', or 'protection' device that prevents it from being used. it is NO more hazardous than retail software.
your old wives tales are tedious, and i am turbo.
all that is 'hacked' is an overide of the 'safety', or 'protection' device that prevents it from being used. it is NO more hazardous than retail software.
your old wives tales are tedious, and i am turbo.
Message 18/20 20-Jul-98 @ 07:53 PM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
MC ren, do you really think that cracks can't harm a system? Let me ask you this... would you trust a system full of hacks and cracks in a real time performance situation? If you say yes, you are either really brave or really stupid. I would guess really stupid going by your last thread. Cracks and Hacks make edits and changes to the system registry. The system registry basically tells your computer how to run. You don't feel so smart now do ya smarty? Turbo? what the hell is that supposed to mean???? Oh I get it you're supposed to be a gear-head... ha ha good one.
Message 19/20 21-Jul-98 @ 10:06 AM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
Hmm gonna be a long one..
Dalibor if you get VST workin I'll sure be impressed(does it work for anyone out there? or is it just
bad plain and simple?) Ive been strugglin with it for a while and still need help, here's where Im at:
I have no soundcard problems, I have an AWE 64, and a Darla, can disable either and the same
problem happens..after a short random time cuebase.exe causes an invalid page fault in Windows
dll applications kernel32.dll or Rundll. and locksup.
Ive got 96megs ram now, colors set to 256, all extra's gone from autoexec and config or moved to high mem (596k conventional mem free) Ive got latest drivers and latest versions for everything, that problem VSTmidi effects program effect.dll can be removed or put back in, reinstalled VST plenty 'o times, AISO set correctly with buffers and such and no dice. It will lockup either runnin strictly MIDI(spot-on 16th notes before it locks) or Audio, computer works flawlesslly when not using Cubase, and yes it's storebought not hacked.
Ive contacted Steinberg months ago(of course no response), and Im goin CRAZY!! The only 2 things I can think of is if my HD is too slow, but it's at like 1500ms read/write which accordin to Darla's HD checkin program is good enuff for 8 stereo tracks(only one mono track recorded inna song will make it freeze). or I need to reinstall windows, which I don't know how to do.
Im 99% certain that it's strictly a conflict between Cuebase and Windows(98 now, had same problem with 95). Ive noticed you can open these windows app's(rundll, kerneldll) and there are a lot of settings for size of stack reserves and lots of other things, maybe if I set these different cuebase wont overload them, but I don't know what to change these things to or even if I should.
You can tell by the length of this message Ive been workin at gettin Cuebase running far too long....SOMEONE HELP ME PLEAZ!!!!!!!!!!!!
faust
Dalibor if you get VST workin I'll sure be impressed(does it work for anyone out there? or is it just
bad plain and simple?) Ive been strugglin with it for a while and still need help, here's where Im at:
I have no soundcard problems, I have an AWE 64, and a Darla, can disable either and the same
problem happens..after a short random time cuebase.exe causes an invalid page fault in Windows
dll applications kernel32.dll or Rundll. and locksup.
Ive got 96megs ram now, colors set to 256, all extra's gone from autoexec and config or moved to high mem (596k conventional mem free) Ive got latest drivers and latest versions for everything, that problem VSTmidi effects program effect.dll can be removed or put back in, reinstalled VST plenty 'o times, AISO set correctly with buffers and such and no dice. It will lockup either runnin strictly MIDI(spot-on 16th notes before it locks) or Audio, computer works flawlesslly when not using Cubase, and yes it's storebought not hacked.
Ive contacted Steinberg months ago(of course no response), and Im goin CRAZY!! The only 2 things I can think of is if my HD is too slow, but it's at like 1500ms read/write which accordin to Darla's HD checkin program is good enuff for 8 stereo tracks(only one mono track recorded inna song will make it freeze). or I need to reinstall windows, which I don't know how to do.
Im 99% certain that it's strictly a conflict between Cuebase and Windows(98 now, had same problem with 95). Ive noticed you can open these windows app's(rundll, kerneldll) and there are a lot of settings for size of stack reserves and lots of other things, maybe if I set these different cuebase wont overload them, but I don't know what to change these things to or even if I should.
You can tell by the length of this message Ive been workin at gettin Cuebase running far too long....SOMEONE HELP ME PLEAZ!!!!!!!!!!!!
faust
Message 20/20 21-Jul-98 @ 11:56 AM - RE: Computer-based music studio: what is required
mate.... that is VST...... sometimes I think we should hire a lawyer to force this issue with s/w companies... think of the publiscity it;'d get?...... after all.... can you imagine 70% of Ford drivers accepting a new car that didnt run ??.... i fucking doubt it..... and that goes for ALL the big s/w companies... it's kak really huh.....
but... i'd re-install windows yes.... and if you run web stuff games and other apps... i'd invest in a removable tray system & a spare h/d for the programmes......
thennnn set up the new drive... Ie:.... put the normal drive in the removeable tray... that is your main apps games and internet etc drive.... now... remove it..... addd the new one.... set up windows...... normal set up....no IE......
next..... add your active x drivers.... latest versions..... add the soundcard drivers.... add vst.... then use that drive for your music work... it's the only way you can be sure to boot up a clean system.....
generally, i'd recommend that accross the board now.... and when dancetech starts to retail systems.(soon)... that will be the standard system I'm gonna sell.... it's the only way you can guaranetee it'll keep working after it's sold..... however..... after investigation, if i cant get a reliable timing vst on a pc...(AND I AM FUSSY !!!!)... then i'm gonna go mac..... Apple have offered me dealer status already..... anyone want a G3 ??....... heh heh....
however having said that....SYCO systems who retail Mac systems, pro-tools etc said..... Logic is far more reliable timing wise than VST on a mac.....yes... even a fully blown G3...
sad really huh... after all this technology... still NOTHING can beat an old Atari 1040 or 520... no matter how much you spend.... well sad.....
but... i'd re-install windows yes.... and if you run web stuff games and other apps... i'd invest in a removable tray system & a spare h/d for the programmes......
thennnn set up the new drive... Ie:.... put the normal drive in the removeable tray... that is your main apps games and internet etc drive.... now... remove it..... addd the new one.... set up windows...... normal set up....no IE......
next..... add your active x drivers.... latest versions..... add the soundcard drivers.... add vst.... then use that drive for your music work... it's the only way you can be sure to boot up a clean system.....
generally, i'd recommend that accross the board now.... and when dancetech starts to retail systems.(soon)... that will be the standard system I'm gonna sell.... it's the only way you can guaranetee it'll keep working after it's sold..... however..... after investigation, if i cant get a reliable timing vst on a pc...(AND I AM FUSSY !!!!)... then i'm gonna go mac..... Apple have offered me dealer status already..... anyone want a G3 ??....... heh heh....
however having said that....SYCO systems who retail Mac systems, pro-tools etc said..... Logic is far more reliable timing wise than VST on a mac.....yes... even a fully blown G3...
sad really huh... after all this technology... still NOTHING can beat an old Atari 1040 or 520... no matter how much you spend.... well sad.....
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