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Subject: Sample CD's - are they too expensive.
Original Message Date: 30-Jul-98 @ 04:49 PM - Sample CD's - are they too expensive.
short sharp mixed mode ones.
It this too much - I say yes - considering if you
have the time and inclination (and ISDN link) you
can download millions of sounds for (nearly)
free on the web !!
Message 11/26 01-Aug-98 @ 10:12 AM - RE: Sample CD's - are they too expensive.
Ha ha ha - music industry generates more income in the UK
than any other industry - read the financial times matey -
you are wrong,wrong,wrong.
Message 12/26 01-Aug-98 @ 11:52 AM - RE: Sample CD's - are they too expensive.
The music industry in the UK is MASSIVE. The amount of people it employs directly, indirectly etc. it all adds up you know.
Anyway re. Sample CD's, you are paying for the copyright, the time put in by the artist and the overheads i.e studio costs the artist paid to make it. I'm sure that paying 50 quid for a sample disc is much less traumatic than a court case involving the artist you nicked the loop from wanting all your money generated from your hit single.
Message 13/26 01-Aug-98 @ 12:04 PM - RE: Sample CD's - are they too expensive.
Its a funny old game.
Message 14/26 01-Aug-98 @ 12:28 PM - RE: Sample CD's - are they too expensive.
Music publishing royalties for world-wide airplay... and this remember covers not only contemporary channels, but ALL channels.... including easy listening, Jazz etc who daily play millions of versions of classic songs owned by UK publishers....WW mechanicals royalties, WW product licencing deals revenue and all relevent staff & support companies, collection agencies, independant TV & Video companies , On & offline editing facilities, recording and rehearsal studios, graphics & repro houses, CD manufacturing plants, record pressing plants, tape plants, Plastics companies, chemical & inks manufacturers, all the magazines, and the rest of the music press, independent journalists, Agents & management companies, clubs & discotech's, venues, flyer companies, record shops & stores !!! , (alone a HUGE employer), national distributors, fleet delivery companies, designers, artists, stage personel, engineers & technicians, music publishing houses, solicitors and barristers , large entire legal departments dedicated such as Virgin EMI etc or companies such as Davenport Lyons who deal mostly in copyright & contracts, Uk Channel television personel & entire departments in uk licenced channels, WW TV syndication & licencing agreements, Video sales & rentals, Video manufacturing plants, music equipment shops, Electronic games music Royalties, (games now incidently outstrip CD music sales worldwide apparently).... electronics & equiptment manufacturing companies, electronics design companies, electronics servicing companies, electricians, pa companies, stage erectors, set designers and builders, The UK Film & Film production industry, the UK theatre industry, Concert & opera houses and classical orchestra tours such as the LPO or the lighting companies & crews, road & transport crews, scaffolders, security companies, revenues paid to local police dept's for venue support, council revenue for venues, advertising companies, insurance, promotional companies & management , toy & novelty manufacturers such as for Spice Girls paraphanalia etc, badge manufacturers, printers & lithography, clothing manufacturers, Book companies, etc etc
on top of that, you have the revenue generated by the actual labels themselves for record sales, which is simply staggering for the size of the country, with British music consistantly occupying the charts in all territories worldwide, challenged only by the Americans in terms of volume and sales... and lets face it... there is a slight difference in the sizes of the countries, yet we occupy a massively disproportionate slice of the market worldwide for the size of the uk, just as japan takes a massive slice of the world music sales market disproportionate to it's size, being ALONE the worlds 3rd largest market after USA & Europe....
Now... outside of the actual revenue generated by these 100's of thousands of labels, from huge corporates down to small independents, there is the tax and VAT generated, and on top of that, just the personal income tax alone of the major uk artists outstrips most large industries' profits annually.
Furthermore, the property occupied by these companies generates more income, and i dunno if you ever worked in a record company, or spent time there, but the telephone bills spent alone provides a huge chunk for BT & the cellullars, of which BT owns a share in most such as Vodaphone & Cellnet, and again outside of corporation tax, & VAT, the UK government owns about 50% of BT still....
further to that, each of those industries who rely on the UK music biz for contracts that would otherwise relate to closure or at the least heavy lay off's, employs all the support & secretarial staff etc..... add it all up, and I think you'll see that consistantly year in year out the UK music biz, is our most consistant profitable industry, and certainly the only one we have left that is consistantly world leading & world beating, and NOT relying on crafty overseas trade agreements of aid with arms contracts stipulations, or subsidies from the EEC or ANY government investment, even in setting up the companies with taxpayers money ... such as for our recently privatised national utilities......
remember that even annual sales of Beatles albums generally still outsells most major artists world wide.... dont assume that cos Led Zeppelin, Bowie & Sabbath etc etc are not in the charts, that they dont still sell.... these artsists still shift huge amounts of product annually, as well as offshoots such as Tee-shirts, caps, badges, posters etc all liceneced to uk companies.....
we have no auto industry any more, and no electronics manufacturing to speak of, no shipbuilding, mining, or other traditional heavey industry, large companies such as British airways, or BT do make huge amounts of revenue, but you have to remember, that a huge chunk of their interests lies outside the UK, in sattelite systems etc... so whilst they may make alot of money, they dont employ as many people...... just a check thru the local WH Smiths at all the music & music reletaed mags from NME to Smash hits, The Face, Wax, SOS etc etc etc, shows a huge amount of titles only challenged by computor & womens magazines....
when you add up the tax & revenue of this entire industry, it works out as enormous...and the numbers it employs, the companies that would suffer or fold if it didnt exist are simply staggering..... I personally can't think of any other industry so dominant in the world owned by British business..... and as far as I am aware, it is a fact that the music biz is our most successful private industry... BT & BA etc dont count, cos they are still state owned to a degree.....
everyone makes a big song and dance when a Nippon company starts a factory creating 3000 jobs in Wales.... but just a tiny slice of the insurance sector of the music business alone employs way more than that every year... year in year out , year after year... no lay off's... no voluntary redundancies, no 4 day weeks, no wage cuts or productivity linked pay deals...... look at the revenue a single Stones tour generates !!.... that is one band for fucks sake......
why not go out and spend 40 quid on The White Book..... it is a book published annualy, about 4 times the size of the Bible that contains listings of music related companies alone !!.....
actually yes, I do read the FT & the Times Business section regularly as it happens..... and recently managed and administered a freinds company for the startup period until investment that is now worth a couple of million, starting with a £15,000 investment
y'know... you're really starting to get on my nerves with all your persistant name calling, sarcasm, & personal insults, ..... would you like to meet up in central London soon to discuss things in person ??...
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Message 15/26 01-Aug-98 @ 01:33 PM - RE: Sample CD's - are they too expensive.
Message 16/26 01-Aug-98 @ 02:07 PM - RE: Sample CD's - are they too expensive.
man. You pay my train fare to London, I'll be there.
Message 17/26 01-Aug-98 @ 02:31 PM - RE: Sample CD's - are they too expensive.
Message 18/26 01-Aug-98 @ 11:08 PM - RE: Sample CD's - are they too expensive.
Message 19/26 02-Aug-98 @ 09:55 AM - RE: Sample CD's - are they too expensive.
Message 20/26 02-Aug-98 @ 10:52 AM - RE: Sample CD's - are they too expensive.
fat bastard weight !!!
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