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Original Message 1/25 17-Sep-98 @ 10:42 PM - The Music Business

rouge

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I've just spoken to a guy who works in a studio earning �50 a week for doing ridiculous 24 hour shifts!!!
There are also so many other people around London playing gigs or working in studios for virtually nothing.... why is this business so fukkked up?
I want some cash NOW!!!
Fortunately, I don't work in this business, I just mess with it.

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Message 2/25 18-Sep-98 @ 02:15 AM - RE: The Music Business

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A few of my friends are actors, just starting to build reputations, and I always laugh at the acting business because so many people work for free just for the resume experience or to make connections or whatever. An ex girlfriend of mine is a violinist and she never had to work for free. Everything she did she got paid $50 or $100 an hour, in sharp contrast to my starving actor friends.

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Message 3/25 18-Sep-98 @ 03:48 AM - RE: The Music Business

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location, location, location... but then again, i'm not really set up to do soft-rock/country..

xoxos.

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Message 4/25 18-Sep-98 @ 04:35 AM - RE: The Music Business

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Yes, I want to leave my day job, I program computers, big ugly old mainframes to be exact.
I want to get a job in the music industry or start something on my own, I'm so confused!! So no
money anymore I guess huh?

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Message 5/25 18-Sep-98 @ 04:54 AM - RE: The Music Business

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mainframes sounds like an ugly way to die. if the reason you want make music is strong enough, it will take you where it needs to go. why do you emulate?

xoxos.

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Message 6/25 18-Sep-98 @ 08:37 PM - RE: The Music Business

rouge

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Sorry - "emulate" - thats cyber language isn't it?
Me no computer freek!

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Message 7/25 18-Sep-98 @ 08:38 PM - RE: The Music Business

rouge

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I left my 9 to 5 job today - fortunately I got a job doing porn films so I'm happy for the time-being!

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Message 8/25 19-Sep-98 @ 08:46 AM - RE: The Music Business

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I want to get a job doing the music for porn films...

Dance it up a bit you know..

I'd start with the tempo around 110, just while they're getting to know each other. (usually the first 2 minutes of the film), then I'd start slowly increasing the tempo and drop in a quiet bubbling bass line. rise the tempo for about 15 mins up to about 147 bpm (as the action get hotter). Raise the filter to mid and increase the resonance a bit.

THEN... Just as the bloke about to jaz everywhere, i'd drop the whole thing out and bring in a short cheesy cliched (spelt?) snare roll for one bar.

just as he starts sharing the milk the whole track bangs back in for the full on showering close ups...

Wicked styley.

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Message 9/25 19-Sep-98 @ 02:25 PM - RE: The Music Business

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okay i was raised in england, moved to the u.s. and went to an elitist high school since the system here is wicked bad behind. flunked college due to disagreements with what they were teaching me.. now i'm a farmer so i have little intellectual stimulation, but still like to retain an air of superiority, so sometimes i use words because i think other people will be impressed by my knowledge when in fact i have little or no idea what they actually mean...

i thought emulate meant to utter or to produce... it actually means to compete; to attempt to equal or excel.

well i just suck.

what i meant for charlie to consider were his motivations for producing music. next time i'll just say so.

arrogantly, humbly,
xoxos.

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Message 10/25 19-Sep-98 @ 10:11 PM - RE: The Music Business

rouge

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Farming?!? - Cool!

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Message 11/25 20-Sep-98 @ 03:09 AM - RE: The Music Business

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specifically i'm a seed germination specialist at a large production nursery. questions? (one guess how i got started in the field...)

xoxos.

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Message 12/25 20-Sep-98 @ 03:13 AM - RE: The Music Business

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Farming ? Isn't that very tiresome ? Or... just exactly what is it that you're farming ?

I have often noticed that when people are using difficult words, it is often because they don't know enough about what they're talking about to say it in simple words. People using difficult words to say simple things make me suspicious, and I'll usually take whatever chance I get to make them look ridiculous in front of themselves.

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Message 13/25 20-Sep-98 @ 07:12 AM - RE: The Music Business

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well thanks a lot, but i'm perfectly capable of doing that for myself in case you haven't noticed. i certainly don't need some sadistic nob end ruining whatever illusions i currently manage to maintain of some level of brotherhood among men. if i want to kick myself in the head that's my own business but when you start doing it for me you're just a bastard and god help you.

and as far as whether i know what i'm talking about, that's my own business as well been as i've only got one life to live and as such nothing to make a fair comparison with.

relevant to the misapplied terminology in question, i certainly do believe that it is necessary to have some integrity in the cognizance of your motivation for creating music to sustain a degree of success at it, unless you are engineered by external forces to do so, either wilful or accidental.

yes i make mistakes and yes i can be rather tiresome in the extent at which i choose to reveal my shortcomings but no i certainly do not need to feel ridiculed because of it. as far as i see it, my will to degrade myself is just sad, but the will to degrade others is a cause of pain in this world which we must share.

sometimes people simply learn something which is not correct in terms of the greater reference point. i am actually aware of the source that reinforced my impression that 'emulate' meant something similar to 'emit.' well what a silly bunt i am then. language is a beautiful tool and when given the liberty, i choose to make it musical. entrance the listener. entice them into taking pleasure in the very medium of exchange.

'millions of images that's what i need; i've got orgasms, i've got screaming' (w.s. burroughs) i am thankful that i have the opportunity to enjoy a wealth of sensory stimuli with as little persecution and suffering as possible PLEASE.

i said it and i meant it.

'PLEASE,' my good fellow, 'PLEASE...'

xoxos.

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Message 14/25 20-Sep-98 @ 01:42 PM - RE: The Music Business

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no offence, but I thought farmers had never heard of computers let alone the internet.... so, how did you get into the wonderful world of fresh country air?

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Message 15/25 20-Sep-98 @ 02:29 PM - RE: The Music Business

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how'd you hear about the wonderful world of fresh country air? (:b)

"it's green"

xoxos.

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Message 16/25 20-Sep-98 @ 06:22 PM - RE: The Music Business

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Hmmm xoxos... I wasn't bashing you or anything if that's what it seemed like... English isn't my 'native language', so forgive me if I offended you in any way.
When I wrote that stuff, I had some sort of people in mind, the kind who'll do anything to make you believe them and make themselves look good, no matter if whatever it is they're saying is right or not.
Unfortunately I often have to work with that kind of people (too long to explain how and why, but it's a quite uncommon situation), so I've got a good reference point.

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Message 17/25 21-Sep-98 @ 01:17 AM - RE: The Music Business

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well looking good is important.. 'it is better to look good than to feel good..' (famous american comedy routine) and i am certainly guilty of pandering from time to time (this has nothing to do with bestiality.)

i just like to make a scene

xoxos.

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Message 18/25 21-Sep-98 @ 12:56 PM - RE: The Music Business

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I resign today from my IT job. I realise that I'm gonna be skint for a bit but then its a small price to pay to free my time up to do music.

But then I can always fall back on my sweat houses in the east end, full of illegal immigrants who make my range of kiddies clothing.

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Message 19/25 21-Sep-98 @ 03:04 PM - RE: The Music Business

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god no, jock, don't!

IT is everything that ever mattered, ever!
IT is what you need!
IT is your heart's desire!

slog IT out.. thing's are tough, but they'll mellow out. for god's sake don't go jobless to do music.. at least get a few hours in the morning somewhere. keeps the wheels in motion.

had a shit of a time going back..

xoxos.

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Message 20/25 21-Sep-98 @ 04:14 PM - RE: The Music Business

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Nope, Jock IS right... If he wants to be a social beggar then let him.. The government take 1/5th of our wages of us it's only right you should go on the dole every two years or so to get some of it back.

Fair play to ya..

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Message 21/25 22-Sep-98 @ 12:23 PM - RE: The Music Business

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Yeah but because I resigned I wouldnt be eligable to claim anything back for fucking ages. Anyway the pathetic amount the goverment shell out in benefits wont cover the 900 quid a month it costs me to run my house.

But if they were to give me back all the tax I've paid in the past 2 or 3 months I'd be laughing.

No I'm sorry but I'll have to make my crust from highly illegal and immoral activities. Hence freeing up much of my time for music.

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Message 22/25 22-Sep-98 @ 01:01 PM - RE: The Music Business

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Fucking tell me about it.. I'm still paying off the poxy council rent I owe from two years ago.

But just try telling them it was their fault I ended up owing all that cash. B'stards.

I suppose tax free self enterprise is the way to go if you can avoid shit loads of people you've never seen in your life comeing round ya gaff and asking 'is Jock in, said it's ok to come round'..

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Message 23/25 22-Sep-98 @ 01:20 PM - RE: The Music Business

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I always maintain that to achieve something worthwhile in life you need to do something radical. Throw yourself in the deep end as it were. You either sink or swim, but then its nice if someone is waiting around to throw you a life jacket if you need one.

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Message 24/25 22-Sep-98 @ 03:04 PM - RE: The Music Business

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spoken like a gentleman sir.

xoxos.

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Message 25/25 23-Sep-98 @ 02:25 AM - RE: The Music Business

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but i think you should find that lass and tell her how sorry you are for setting her face on fire like that..

xoxos.

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