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Original Message 1/25 19-Dec-03 @ 05:28 AM - ghetto rig

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howdy,

okay since my mixer's deader than chandra leavey, i'm gonna have to do a really weird signal processing chain...and wanna know if i would have any problems doing so. to hook up all my synths to get to one out put, im thinking of hooking them up in this way:

JP-8080 Output-------->Nova Input

Nova Output------------->Virus Input

Virus output------------->soundcard ins

so would that create any delay or have any problems? gonna have to rough it like that till i get a mixer lol

Andrew

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Message 2/25 19-Dec-03 @ 06:51 AM - RE: ghetto rig

queasy00

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what happend to your mixer anyway? did it just die all of a sudden?

-j

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Message 3/25 19-Dec-03 @ 07:20 AM - RE: ghetto rig

Broken Silence

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yep...one day it just decided to poop out...it randomly just clips off...no explanation for it too...it'll clip off during use or when its just sitting there not doing anything. all behringer could come up with was "is it ventilated properly" and it is..but i dont think it's worth shipping all the way to CA- i'll prolly end up spending more on shipping both ways + repairs than i did for the mixer

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Message 4/25 19-Dec-03 @ 11:53 AM - RE: ghetto rig

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Erm.. I think it will prolly cause a few probs...

Mainly with levels coz the first signal in the chain will be amplified more than the next and so on.

Though you could control it all with midi volume messages I guess

The other prob is can you route the audio in and out of each synth without going through the synth itself (i.,e the filters etc etc).

you may suffer a weeny bit of lag but not a lot, hardware synths have incredibly low latency so you should be ok.

Why don't you just get a really cheap small mixer like a folio notepad or something that would make life easier till you get a new desk.

G

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Message 5/25 19-Dec-03 @ 12:46 PM - RE: ghetto rig

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yeah or use this opportunity to get a multi-IN soundcard and mix it in S/W, monitoring via the stereo card OUT L/R

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Message 6/25 19-Dec-03 @ 02:13 PM - RE: ghetto rig

Yonce N Mild

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It should work fine, I did it like that for a while before I bought a mixer i had a multi in soundcard but only 4 ins so I had my rm1x running through my asrx and my cs1x running through my ea1. There is a little bit of a creative advantage to it in that you come up with diffrent uses for the effects on all your gear and I had a ton of fun running the cs1x through some stomp boxes and then through the ea1's filter. No replacement for a mixer but it will work and it's no problem to control the volume with midi or just by (gasp) turning the volume knob on your synths.

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Message 7/25 19-Dec-03 @ 02:45 PM - RE: ghetto rig

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Yeah cheap would be my selling point here.

Have any of you used Delta 1010LT? it's 8x8io on RCA jacks (break-out cable)...looks a bit sketchy, but don't understand why it wouldn't work well...any opinions on that?

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Message 8/25 19-Dec-03 @ 03:02 PM - RE: ghetto rig

Yonce N Mild

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I've always been happy with my m-audio products, and there is nothing wrong with rca jacks.

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Message 9/25 19-Dec-03 @ 03:34 PM Edit: 19-Dec-03 | 03:35 PM - RE: ghetto rig

BluStudio

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Couldnt ya just go get a Mackie1202vlzPro - would be cheaper than a new half decent soundcard!

I bought a maxiStudio 8x8 card with the breakout box a few years back, worst thing i ever bought in my life- spent more time fixing/configuring than i did playing thru it. M audio budget stuff prolly sound but my experience defo makes me wary about cheaper Multi -in cards.

Dunno how those percussive envelopes would sound thru it right enough

blu

i spose tho, if you were serious about THE jump, and running a 2408 then now would be the time............

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Message 10/25 19-Dec-03 @ 03:57 PM - RE: ghetto rig

xoxos

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if you go check hyperreal you'll find schemos for a basic level mixer you ought to be able to build out of any old radio with 2 knobs on it.. or ~4ukp in parts.. hell.. you could just splice a few odd wires together and use your board output levels to mix

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Message 11/25 19-Dec-03 @ 04:36 PM - RE: ghetto rig

queasy00

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does it do that even when absolutely nothing is plugged in?

actually, did you go over all of this in another thread that i missed?

also, xosxos is right.. building a cheap ass mixer is easy. in fact it gets even easier when you just need two ins.. you can do a two channel mixer with just 2 10k resistors and 2 10k log pots.

anyway, with schematics it might take you a day to make a decent one. and you can buy faders too if you don't like the idea of knobs. They cost a buck or less CANADIAN (at least where i live) so that's like... 70 cents or less for you.

-j

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Message 12/25 19-Dec-03 @ 04:49 PM - RE: ghetto rig

craig

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You can probably find any number of 8-12 channel Behringer mixers in servicable shape on Ebay for under $100 USD

-Craig

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Message 13/25 19-Dec-03 @ 06:42 PM - RE: ghetto rig

CydoniaCell

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You know what, BS

I have a little behringer desktop number, 2 mono, 2 stereo and a tape return... would give you room for 4 stereo in's...

Happy to give it to you!!!

email me with your address if you're interested...

e

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Message 14/25 20-Dec-03 @ 03:28 AM - RE: ghetto rig

Optofonik - AKA, mick, rhyze, etc.

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THIS is why I love this place. Right on, CydoniaCell.

I use the MX602a as a line mixer running into a patchbay for my AN200, DX200, and MicroQ, its a fine sounding little submixer with routing options that gets the job done.

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Message 15/25 20-Dec-03 @ 05:20 AM - RE: ghetto rig

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Yep, people like e make dancetech rule.

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Message 16/25 20-Dec-03 @ 09:05 AM - RE: ghetto rig

cydonia cell

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A little background...

Influx heard that my zip drive broke... and sent me his SCSI zip drive... with the idea that I would "compensate" him in some way or another... then i flaked... and flaked some more... I never did compensate for it... and I always felt a little bad for it... even though he's so friggin' cool that he told me last that he didn't care, didn't want money (never did)... and enjoyed messin' with me about it... lol... I still feel a little bad that i never did kick him anything for his trouble.

So i learned a little genorosity from him. And when I saw that Andrew needed the mixer it wasn't a second thought for me... Hey, man, you're still welcome to it... maybe as a little "cosmic" payback to Influx? I dunno, that's not what I was thinking when I offered it, but maybe Freaud (or, more likely Jung) would have something more to say it about it...

So ultimately, thanks Influx... he started it..

And yeah, Dancetech is an awesome community. even if we do trivialize all over the friggin place all the time...

e

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Message 17/25 20-Dec-03 @ 09:08 AM - RE: ghetto rig

cydonia cell

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Eye's rolling into head, teeth gnashing, sweat on the forehead...

"I know I don't say this enough, but I really love all of you guys, man!!!!"

hehehe

e

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Message 18/25 20-Dec-03 @ 11:10 AM - RE: ghetto rig

digital rust

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paying it forward

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Message 19/25 20-Dec-03 @ 12:37 PM - RE: ghetto rig

milan

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aye... i hear that no good bich K got a whole analog synth for free

heheh...

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Message 20/25 20-Dec-03 @ 01:28 PM - RE: ghetto rig

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hey, fook you man!

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Message 21/25 20-Dec-03 @ 03:56 PM - RE: ghetto rig

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in the meantime i've always felt it's a good idea to have a mixing board worthy of all the gear you got running through it. especially when it's such FINE gear.

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Message 22/25 20-Dec-03 @ 04:10 PM - RE: ghetto rig

xoxos

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aah that's nothing - laserguided at kvr offered to send me 2 network cards and a cable and the bastard hates me.

kind acts are kind acts - don't get all 'institutional' over it

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Message 23/25 20-Dec-03 @ 11:33 PM - RE: ghetto rig

influx

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yeah dont trust that fckin errata guy, man. he makes all kinds of promises and doesnt come through

heh. back when a SCSI zip drive was actually worth something

pay it forward indeed

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Message 24/25 23-Dec-03 @ 12:19 AM - RE: ghetto rig

cydonia cell

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Ah, man! It's so true!

I feel like a bastard!

e

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Message 25/25 25-Dec-03 @ 08:47 PM - RE: ghetto rig

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E, what you're doin is a cool thing. Respect for everybody out there trying to help their community. However, I'd just like to expand on something Clay said, dink or not, ;P , your mixer is the heart of your sound, and anything you have will only sound as good as the mixer you put it through. Daisy chaining your stuff together like that is unwise, because every time you put one signal into another box, it has to go through preamp/buffering, encoding, processing, then decoding, and another preamping then onto the next box. so figure that the JP8080's sound is going to have gone through a whole bunch of processing, dithering and such just to get from its outputs to the convertors on your card. Not only that, but every time you are combining two signals into the same path they both have to divide the headroom for the energy and dynamics in that circuit/calculation, so you're losing more dynamics each time you sum. For example if you put two kicks into the same channel, you have to set the maximum output for each one so that it makes room for the other in order to not clip the signal, so neither can come out of the box/boxes with an output of -0db at its peak in the channel, or even close to that. That said, more channels and instrument separation help get better dynamics out of each instrument. Obviously there are other factors. A 12-channel Neve console will sound better than a 32-channel Mackie in most applications, but that's not because of the number of channels. The bottom line is that whenever possible, try your best to not skimp on a mixer. Good luck.

Ape

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