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Subject: censorship
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Original Message 1/26 26-Sep-98 @ 02:29 AM - censorship
It is very heartening that in the real (ie non-virtual) world , freedom of speech is written into the constitution of democratic countries. And why? Because at the very heart of democracy lies the idea that the needs, thoughts and opinions of all people should be heard if we all are to be free. Opinions of dissent from mainstream popular thought have enriched, changed, and broadened our society to the point that we can take or granted the freedoms we have today.
More importantly, opinions of dissent make those in power accountable for bad decisions, bias, and tyrany. When we lose this ability in society- to criticise influencial people and make them accountable for their actions-we have fasicsm. Leaders who rule on a whim, allow their insecurities and personal bias to dictate who may be heard, who will not, who counts, who doesn't, who may live, and who will die. Like Hilter, Mussolini; leaders who are responsible for some of the worst huiman artosities in history.
It is interesting to me that the internet is a vehicle for a new kind of fasicsm, such as that which operates at this site, where only the opinions of those who are in direct allignment with Kilo's agenda (ie to derive a sense of hero-worship from his readers, moreso if they are women) are tolerated. Sadly, for Kilo, and for the immature boys here who support such behaviour, Kilo's insecurites about criticsm and strong women (who do not actively flirt with him or refer to him as `God') are encouraged to run rife at this site.
It is significant that my small but very valid criticism about Kilo's use of censorship on this site illicited his lies, wild and way -off assumptions, conspiracy theories and accusations about my motives for critising him (who can honestly and accurately guess what another person's motives are anyway??) and the biggest form of censorship....banning me. Its outrageous to the point of humour. What kind of weak person needs to ban someone who, without abuse or profanities, offers an opinion of dissent? As for his supporters........well I put that down to your immature need to hero worship someone, and, that most human of traits,.....`bonding against the (percieved) enemy'......stuff that causes wars, death; the saddest incidences in human history in fact.
If you care to remember back, I very logically, and without profanities, pointed out the glaring fact that it is hypocritical of Kilo to ban racist language from this site, but not sexist language. And it is. I pointed out that his doing so resulted in a proliferation of pornography and anti-female language on this site which disheartened me to extent that I stopped writing here for several months. (At the time I was the only female posting here) And I also pointed out that it was hypocritical to allow Daniella (also a strong woman) to be harrassed with anti-female language to the point of departure, but to both abuse and ban people for posting racist language here. Hypocracy is not the worst trait to posses in the world, and I never implied that it was. But it is relevent, and it requires illumination when it is clearly excluding and offending a group, or even one person. I found it particularly relevent at the time because there was much discussion from you all as to why this site fails to attract women.
I think we all know why.
I don't care for hero-worship (no human being should be percieved as so one-dimensional) so despite any respect I once had for Kilo, I saw no need to allow his hypocracy (and his lie about his not using censorship on this site) to go unacknowleged. I did the democratric thing in speaking up. Influencial Site ops, like politicans or any person in a power position, should be made accountable for their personal bias, lies, and exclusionary behaviour. It makes for fairness. And it makes for a better person who holds that power. It opens their and others minds, allows them to see their insecurites and perhaps express them in a less destructive way. It makes them accountable, and better human beings in the process. People in power have the ability to affect many others with their insecurites, predudices, and lack of understanding. Thats why criticism is essential. And by supporting Kilos censorship of my mild but relevant and valid critisisms, you all have denied him an opportunity to reflect apon how his use of censorship offends and excludes some people. Perhaps, like Kilo, many of you don't agree that a woman should have strong opinions and should only visit this site for flirtation and exhibitionist purposes. It is a great sign of weakness to ban opinions and minority groups you don't like......... and it is fascist. In the real world, this would be regarded as illegal.
A good portion, if not all, of you fail to understand or care about how this sort of hypocracy causes offense. Afterall, most of you are inexperienced musicians, male; mostly half Kilo's age and easy targets for him to illicit your hero-worship. So desparate to deny any implication of sexism, and to protect someone you need to see as a hero, you have ignored and failed to understand how deeply offensive and alienating it is to ban racist language from a site, but to encourage sexist language and imagery.
The biggest part of your misunderstanding has been that by revealing Kilo as a hypocryte, I am therefore accusing you all of intentional sexism. This is not the case. Personally, I believe that a good portion of sexist language has been posted here in humour, boredom, and desire to illicit a reaction. I believe that Noteven, who started all this recent contention, meant his taunts of Daniella in much the same way.......basically to illicit a reaction. What was wrong with that situation is that Kilo refused to step in when Daniella pleaded that he do so......but the past has proved that he will go off the deep-end, ranting and raving, at the most benign racist connotations.
The racist language used on this site has always been far more benign and meaningless than the pointed, often extremely mysogyinistic anti-female language used here. My question is......why does Kilo ban Racist language, but encourage sexism, pornography, and female alienation??? Is it more fashionable to take up an anti-racist cause than to encourage civility towards female dance musicians? Is Kilo merely too afraid for his hero-status to stick up for a woman in this `boys club' style environment? Or does he genuinely resent the presence of strong, opinionated women on his site (who do not refer to him as `God' or exhibit themselves)???
This site was fair when we used to aim outrageous profanities at each other.......it was hard hitting, extremely funny, and difficult to take seriously. We were not limited to only sexist language back then in our attempts at humourous slaggings. Racist and homophobic language were as prolific, and as funny, as sexist language. And it felt....irreverently refreshing. Like an episode of Southpark. The huge amount of sexist language and imagery directed at me was mostly very funny, sometimes offensive (in which cases I said so), but mostly tolerable because I too had my verbal armour. I was called all manner of names and I returned each insult with the same intention of wit and humour used by my attackers.
It all changed when Kilo felt the need (under dubious circumstances) to abuse me (and others) both publically and privately for the use of benign racist language. There was no mention of the extensive use of sexist, and downright mysoginist, language by my male `oponents'. In effect, Kilo made it OK to use foul sexist language and imagery, whilst banning mild and benign racist language. For those who remember, doesn't it seem the least bit strange that anyone would ban the people invloved, and delete the words `I am a nigger. what colour are you?" (by poorass) and `big brother is watching' (by Avene) and `please give us your address and we'll let you know (KKK aka acid cat)....... but not bat an eyelid at numerous essays with phrases like`youre a fucking bitch slut cunt'?, explicit pornography, and the countless extremely pointed and mysogisist remarks?????. Or to allow a female (Daniella) to be completely alienated by anti-female sentiment to the point of departure?
Some of you remember what I'm talking about. In response, Sedusa, as an example, said he thought that it was good that Kilo banned the words above because they `were sick' (!??) whereas he thinks the use of sexist language, imagery and sexual profantities is `funny'. This is the direct result of Kilo's partial censorship of the site...........and typical of the maturity level here. An influencial person like Kilo has the ability, through his Hypocracy, to make female concerns unimportant to the young men here, and racial concerns of paramount importance. This is basis for the offense I take at Kilo's partial censorship of the site and why I believe this kind of bias is wrong.
A short time after Kilo censored the site, the slag pages became fluffy, meandering, and difficult to understand. Very rarely funny. Pornography was encouraged; Kilo posted `Sally's little sister' and wrote the warning page which, in effect, condones sexist, but not racist, language. Effectively, the only real weapon of attack in our jausting was even more prolific sexist language. I was disheartened and frankly bored. The mysoginists amongst you were spurred on more than ever, seeing clearly that Kilo was willing to support sexist but not racist language. I left the site with a feeling of mild bitterness, but mostly of boredom. A fair game is fun.......a referee who allows punches below the belt from only one side makes a fair game brutal.
Months later, it interested me seeing another strong woman blustering onto the site. Having explored, and eventually rejected, the celebrity status she was experiencing, I kept an eye on things. In time, I had grown tired of the constant provocation by young and ratrher stupid boys based on my gender. I could see that Daniella was beginning to feel the same.
It offended me to see Kilos response to Daniella when she pleaded for some help in face of a new barrage of anti-female slags. When she asked for some intervention, Kilo stated that he did not believe in censoring the site and that people should air whatever negative feelings they want. Remembering clearly that this was not the case, and feeling offended that Kilo would rather see a woman alienated from the site than speak up for her........... I spoke up instead. I did not, as Kilo claims, `Slag him'. Anyone whos been around here for a while knows what an acid-cat slag is, and my comments about Kilos hypocracy were civil, lackinging in profanities, and logical.
And why shouldn't I speak up?. Kilo lied, and blantently. He banned and deleted the most benign of racist language, but he endorsed and encouraged sexual intimidation, anti-female threads, and foul sexist language.
As for the rest of you.......very sadly I discovered a bunch of ignorant, vicious, mysoginists and immature hero-worshippers. Worse, I defended you lot to Daniella when she was pissed off with the site, which makes it all the sadder. Daniella, too busy flirting and exhibiting herself (pictorially and metaphorically) could not see a true ally when she had one. I was probably the only person on the site interested in her for herself, not for some hope of fullfilling a fantasy.
I did not read even one opinion from you all that made any sense (except for Hillevet at one time) ; your comments were based on such logic as `Kilo once helped me so his accusations about Acid-Cat must be all correct' and `Pongoid helped me once with a problem so that makes him right when he says that everyone who doesn't eat at soup kitchens a sodomised whore' and `Jock is my friend so he couldn't possibly demonstrate an unhealthy obsession towards a woman'. These sort of comments debase you; they exhibit not only extreme ignorance, but unrealistic attitudes about friendship. If the simple fact of a person having a friend absolves him of all possibilty of doing wrong, then by your logic, there could be no wrong doers on the entire planet. A true form of friendship is not blind loyalty......but acceptance even in the face of their imperfections.
You accused and attacked me to the point where nothing you said made any sense. A bunch of cowards and mysogynists, kicking me hard while I defended your right to express a valid and original opinion. In the end, your comments were not even worth responding to. Like a pack of sharks in feeding frenzy, you really didn't stop for a second to appraise my comments on their own merit. Or to question why, for a moment, someone as `big' as Kilo would need to do something as low as ban someone just for offering an opinion. You didn't see, therefore, that kilo is a very insecure man with no tolerance of critisicm from a woman......... that he will go to any lengths to lie about, defame, and accuse someone in order to deny any imperfection within himself. You didn't give him the opportunity to see that censorship, not tolerated in democratic society, should not be tolerated in virtual society either. You didn't give him a chance to face up to his mean-spirited tendency towards facism.
I won't be back to read your predictably immature and illogocal responses to this letter. Kilo, no doubt, will once again very cleverly (not!) take a whole lot of my words out of context, string them together, and accuse me of great conpiracies against him. If he doesn't delete it, he will claim to have some special insight as to my motives for writing this letter, some sinister plot. He will claim to know me, probably use all manner of profanities. Let me say now that Kilo does not know me even remotely well enough to ever have had any authority on the subject of my motives. And you are all so ignorant and stupid to believe that he did. Sadly, those of you with the intelligence and maturity to agree that censorship of opinions of dissent and of persons is wrong, will be too intimidated to say so.
It is not surprising to me that a pathetically insecure and mean-spirited 40 year old with so much technical knowlege remains a complete nobody in the music industry. An extreme sensitivity to criticism, and the crucification of anyone who dares to offer it, is not conducive to the kind of frank self-appraisal needed to make it in a creative profession.
What a little man.
And what a pity that you lot are too immature to understand or care about the needs of your female dance-musican peers.
More importantly, opinions of dissent make those in power accountable for bad decisions, bias, and tyrany. When we lose this ability in society- to criticise influencial people and make them accountable for their actions-we have fasicsm. Leaders who rule on a whim, allow their insecurities and personal bias to dictate who may be heard, who will not, who counts, who doesn't, who may live, and who will die. Like Hilter, Mussolini; leaders who are responsible for some of the worst huiman artosities in history.
It is interesting to me that the internet is a vehicle for a new kind of fasicsm, such as that which operates at this site, where only the opinions of those who are in direct allignment with Kilo's agenda (ie to derive a sense of hero-worship from his readers, moreso if they are women) are tolerated. Sadly, for Kilo, and for the immature boys here who support such behaviour, Kilo's insecurites about criticsm and strong women (who do not actively flirt with him or refer to him as `God') are encouraged to run rife at this site.
It is significant that my small but very valid criticism about Kilo's use of censorship on this site illicited his lies, wild and way -off assumptions, conspiracy theories and accusations about my motives for critising him (who can honestly and accurately guess what another person's motives are anyway??) and the biggest form of censorship....banning me. Its outrageous to the point of humour. What kind of weak person needs to ban someone who, without abuse or profanities, offers an opinion of dissent? As for his supporters........well I put that down to your immature need to hero worship someone, and, that most human of traits,.....`bonding against the (percieved) enemy'......stuff that causes wars, death; the saddest incidences in human history in fact.
If you care to remember back, I very logically, and without profanities, pointed out the glaring fact that it is hypocritical of Kilo to ban racist language from this site, but not sexist language. And it is. I pointed out that his doing so resulted in a proliferation of pornography and anti-female language on this site which disheartened me to extent that I stopped writing here for several months. (At the time I was the only female posting here) And I also pointed out that it was hypocritical to allow Daniella (also a strong woman) to be harrassed with anti-female language to the point of departure, but to both abuse and ban people for posting racist language here. Hypocracy is not the worst trait to posses in the world, and I never implied that it was. But it is relevent, and it requires illumination when it is clearly excluding and offending a group, or even one person. I found it particularly relevent at the time because there was much discussion from you all as to why this site fails to attract women.
I think we all know why.
I don't care for hero-worship (no human being should be percieved as so one-dimensional) so despite any respect I once had for Kilo, I saw no need to allow his hypocracy (and his lie about his not using censorship on this site) to go unacknowleged. I did the democratric thing in speaking up. Influencial Site ops, like politicans or any person in a power position, should be made accountable for their personal bias, lies, and exclusionary behaviour. It makes for fairness. And it makes for a better person who holds that power. It opens their and others minds, allows them to see their insecurites and perhaps express them in a less destructive way. It makes them accountable, and better human beings in the process. People in power have the ability to affect many others with their insecurites, predudices, and lack of understanding. Thats why criticism is essential. And by supporting Kilos censorship of my mild but relevant and valid critisisms, you all have denied him an opportunity to reflect apon how his use of censorship offends and excludes some people. Perhaps, like Kilo, many of you don't agree that a woman should have strong opinions and should only visit this site for flirtation and exhibitionist purposes. It is a great sign of weakness to ban opinions and minority groups you don't like......... and it is fascist. In the real world, this would be regarded as illegal.
A good portion, if not all, of you fail to understand or care about how this sort of hypocracy causes offense. Afterall, most of you are inexperienced musicians, male; mostly half Kilo's age and easy targets for him to illicit your hero-worship. So desparate to deny any implication of sexism, and to protect someone you need to see as a hero, you have ignored and failed to understand how deeply offensive and alienating it is to ban racist language from a site, but to encourage sexist language and imagery.
The biggest part of your misunderstanding has been that by revealing Kilo as a hypocryte, I am therefore accusing you all of intentional sexism. This is not the case. Personally, I believe that a good portion of sexist language has been posted here in humour, boredom, and desire to illicit a reaction. I believe that Noteven, who started all this recent contention, meant his taunts of Daniella in much the same way.......basically to illicit a reaction. What was wrong with that situation is that Kilo refused to step in when Daniella pleaded that he do so......but the past has proved that he will go off the deep-end, ranting and raving, at the most benign racist connotations.
The racist language used on this site has always been far more benign and meaningless than the pointed, often extremely mysogyinistic anti-female language used here. My question is......why does Kilo ban Racist language, but encourage sexism, pornography, and female alienation??? Is it more fashionable to take up an anti-racist cause than to encourage civility towards female dance musicians? Is Kilo merely too afraid for his hero-status to stick up for a woman in this `boys club' style environment? Or does he genuinely resent the presence of strong, opinionated women on his site (who do not refer to him as `God' or exhibit themselves)???
This site was fair when we used to aim outrageous profanities at each other.......it was hard hitting, extremely funny, and difficult to take seriously. We were not limited to only sexist language back then in our attempts at humourous slaggings. Racist and homophobic language were as prolific, and as funny, as sexist language. And it felt....irreverently refreshing. Like an episode of Southpark. The huge amount of sexist language and imagery directed at me was mostly very funny, sometimes offensive (in which cases I said so), but mostly tolerable because I too had my verbal armour. I was called all manner of names and I returned each insult with the same intention of wit and humour used by my attackers.
It all changed when Kilo felt the need (under dubious circumstances) to abuse me (and others) both publically and privately for the use of benign racist language. There was no mention of the extensive use of sexist, and downright mysoginist, language by my male `oponents'. In effect, Kilo made it OK to use foul sexist language and imagery, whilst banning mild and benign racist language. For those who remember, doesn't it seem the least bit strange that anyone would ban the people invloved, and delete the words `I am a nigger. what colour are you?" (by poorass) and `big brother is watching' (by Avene) and `please give us your address and we'll let you know (KKK aka acid cat)....... but not bat an eyelid at numerous essays with phrases like`youre a fucking bitch slut cunt'?, explicit pornography, and the countless extremely pointed and mysogisist remarks?????. Or to allow a female (Daniella) to be completely alienated by anti-female sentiment to the point of departure?
Some of you remember what I'm talking about. In response, Sedusa, as an example, said he thought that it was good that Kilo banned the words above because they `were sick' (!??) whereas he thinks the use of sexist language, imagery and sexual profantities is `funny'. This is the direct result of Kilo's partial censorship of the site...........and typical of the maturity level here. An influencial person like Kilo has the ability, through his Hypocracy, to make female concerns unimportant to the young men here, and racial concerns of paramount importance. This is basis for the offense I take at Kilo's partial censorship of the site and why I believe this kind of bias is wrong.
A short time after Kilo censored the site, the slag pages became fluffy, meandering, and difficult to understand. Very rarely funny. Pornography was encouraged; Kilo posted `Sally's little sister' and wrote the warning page which, in effect, condones sexist, but not racist, language. Effectively, the only real weapon of attack in our jausting was even more prolific sexist language. I was disheartened and frankly bored. The mysoginists amongst you were spurred on more than ever, seeing clearly that Kilo was willing to support sexist but not racist language. I left the site with a feeling of mild bitterness, but mostly of boredom. A fair game is fun.......a referee who allows punches below the belt from only one side makes a fair game brutal.
Months later, it interested me seeing another strong woman blustering onto the site. Having explored, and eventually rejected, the celebrity status she was experiencing, I kept an eye on things. In time, I had grown tired of the constant provocation by young and ratrher stupid boys based on my gender. I could see that Daniella was beginning to feel the same.
It offended me to see Kilos response to Daniella when she pleaded for some help in face of a new barrage of anti-female slags. When she asked for some intervention, Kilo stated that he did not believe in censoring the site and that people should air whatever negative feelings they want. Remembering clearly that this was not the case, and feeling offended that Kilo would rather see a woman alienated from the site than speak up for her........... I spoke up instead. I did not, as Kilo claims, `Slag him'. Anyone whos been around here for a while knows what an acid-cat slag is, and my comments about Kilos hypocracy were civil, lackinging in profanities, and logical.
And why shouldn't I speak up?. Kilo lied, and blantently. He banned and deleted the most benign of racist language, but he endorsed and encouraged sexual intimidation, anti-female threads, and foul sexist language.
As for the rest of you.......very sadly I discovered a bunch of ignorant, vicious, mysoginists and immature hero-worshippers. Worse, I defended you lot to Daniella when she was pissed off with the site, which makes it all the sadder. Daniella, too busy flirting and exhibiting herself (pictorially and metaphorically) could not see a true ally when she had one. I was probably the only person on the site interested in her for herself, not for some hope of fullfilling a fantasy.
I did not read even one opinion from you all that made any sense (except for Hillevet at one time) ; your comments were based on such logic as `Kilo once helped me so his accusations about Acid-Cat must be all correct' and `Pongoid helped me once with a problem so that makes him right when he says that everyone who doesn't eat at soup kitchens a sodomised whore' and `Jock is my friend so he couldn't possibly demonstrate an unhealthy obsession towards a woman'. These sort of comments debase you; they exhibit not only extreme ignorance, but unrealistic attitudes about friendship. If the simple fact of a person having a friend absolves him of all possibilty of doing wrong, then by your logic, there could be no wrong doers on the entire planet. A true form of friendship is not blind loyalty......but acceptance even in the face of their imperfections.
You accused and attacked me to the point where nothing you said made any sense. A bunch of cowards and mysogynists, kicking me hard while I defended your right to express a valid and original opinion. In the end, your comments were not even worth responding to. Like a pack of sharks in feeding frenzy, you really didn't stop for a second to appraise my comments on their own merit. Or to question why, for a moment, someone as `big' as Kilo would need to do something as low as ban someone just for offering an opinion. You didn't see, therefore, that kilo is a very insecure man with no tolerance of critisicm from a woman......... that he will go to any lengths to lie about, defame, and accuse someone in order to deny any imperfection within himself. You didn't give him the opportunity to see that censorship, not tolerated in democratic society, should not be tolerated in virtual society either. You didn't give him a chance to face up to his mean-spirited tendency towards facism.
I won't be back to read your predictably immature and illogocal responses to this letter. Kilo, no doubt, will once again very cleverly (not!) take a whole lot of my words out of context, string them together, and accuse me of great conpiracies against him. If he doesn't delete it, he will claim to have some special insight as to my motives for writing this letter, some sinister plot. He will claim to know me, probably use all manner of profanities. Let me say now that Kilo does not know me even remotely well enough to ever have had any authority on the subject of my motives. And you are all so ignorant and stupid to believe that he did. Sadly, those of you with the intelligence and maturity to agree that censorship of opinions of dissent and of persons is wrong, will be too intimidated to say so.
It is not surprising to me that a pathetically insecure and mean-spirited 40 year old with so much technical knowlege remains a complete nobody in the music industry. An extreme sensitivity to criticism, and the crucification of anyone who dares to offer it, is not conducive to the kind of frank self-appraisal needed to make it in a creative profession.
What a little man.
And what a pity that you lot are too immature to understand or care about the needs of your female dance-musican peers.
Message 2/26 26-Sep-98 @ 03:15 AM - RE: censorship
buggo
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Wow, is that piece of work what you spent the last several months creating? if so, here are the top 10 most relevant tips a creative person such as yourself can use to improve the effectivenss of one's writing:
1) learn to spell (misogynist, among other things)
2) ever heard of homonyms? (illicit vs elicit)
3) repeating the same phenomenally boring catch phrase numerous times throughout the course of your missive does not in any way make the said phrase either a)less boring, b)more catchy, or c)more meaningful.
4) not everyone is out to get you, really they aren't.
5) you could have said all that in about 2 sentences.
6) kilo is just as fucked up as the rest of us, and everyone knows it.
7) you are doing to the female sex what OJ Simpson did for the black race.
8) your opinions are not in the least original.
9) if you are planning to dissent, find something a little more relevant than your hurt self-esteem to rant about.
10) goddamn it bitch, get yo' fat sweaty bitch ass self back in the motherfuckin kitchen and bake me a pie; if it suits my taste maybe you can eat tonight, otherwise my fat black dick's gonna be the only thing that goes in yo' mouth till tomorrow morning!
(hint for the sarcastically challenged: #10 what we here call a J-O-K-E. it contains mock sexism, racism, and linguistic discrimination targeted at those whose native dialect is ebonics. coincidentally, it is also a steaming load of horseshit. so henceforth all snide humor shall be denoted as such to prevent misunderstandings by the sensitive crowd that gathers here. fair? good.)
1) learn to spell (misogynist, among other things)
2) ever heard of homonyms? (illicit vs elicit)
3) repeating the same phenomenally boring catch phrase numerous times throughout the course of your missive does not in any way make the said phrase either a)less boring, b)more catchy, or c)more meaningful.
4) not everyone is out to get you, really they aren't.
5) you could have said all that in about 2 sentences.
6) kilo is just as fucked up as the rest of us, and everyone knows it.
7) you are doing to the female sex what OJ Simpson did for the black race.
8) your opinions are not in the least original.
9) if you are planning to dissent, find something a little more relevant than your hurt self-esteem to rant about.
10) goddamn it bitch, get yo' fat sweaty bitch ass self back in the motherfuckin kitchen and bake me a pie; if it suits my taste maybe you can eat tonight, otherwise my fat black dick's gonna be the only thing that goes in yo' mouth till tomorrow morning!
(hint for the sarcastically challenged: #10 what we here call a J-O-K-E. it contains mock sexism, racism, and linguistic discrimination targeted at those whose native dialect is ebonics. coincidentally, it is also a steaming load of horseshit. so henceforth all snide humor shall be denoted as such to prevent misunderstandings by the sensitive crowd that gathers here. fair? good.)
Message 3/26 26-Sep-98 @ 04:46 AM - RE: censorship
i cant read all of this shit because it make me want to puke and rub it in my undies 
. This is the reason why i do the threads (2 or 3,or so? see my latest in the 303 are "303 faggot crybabies" or something like that) people are taking this shit TOO fuckin seriously, i mean damn is this thread a class project or are you really that pathetic? Do something productive with your depressing useless waiste of a baby factory ass and stop eating so much ,then maybe someday you MIGHT get some dick! And thats the only thing that a stagnant pig like yourself would gain any personal satisfaction from! I'm supposed to be studying right now but instead i'm giving you advice, i almost know how you feel, well not really i just thought i'd put that in for a motivational tip. Anyone know of any good IPO's lately E-Bay went public Thursday @12$ and closed out that night @47$ that is fuckin AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
out...
. This is the reason why i do the threads (2 or 3,or so? see my latest in the 303 are "303 faggot crybabies" or something like that) people are taking this shit TOO fuckin seriously, i mean damn is this thread a class project or are you really that pathetic? Do something productive with your depressing useless waiste of a baby factory ass and stop eating so much ,then maybe someday you MIGHT get some dick! And thats the only thing that a stagnant pig like yourself would gain any personal satisfaction from! I'm supposed to be studying right now but instead i'm giving you advice, i almost know how you feel, well not really i just thought i'd put that in for a motivational tip. Anyone know of any good IPO's lately E-Bay went public Thursday @12$ and closed out that night @47$ that is fuckin AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!out...
Message 4/26 26-Sep-98 @ 06:01 AM - RE: censorship
i suggest that you try not to take sexism so personally. instead, view sexism as an expression by someone with a problem, and instead of feeling hurt, try to direct your energy towards helping that person, if you can.
i am sure that sexism is quite a weight to bear throughout the course of one's life. not that i know how your story occurred, but i've been slagging and tech threading for a bit now, and i don't think i've ever mentioned my gender.
xoxos.
i am sure that sexism is quite a weight to bear throughout the course of one's life. not that i know how your story occurred, but i've been slagging and tech threading for a bit now, and i don't think i've ever mentioned my gender.
xoxos.
Message 5/26 26-Sep-98 @ 06:08 AM - RE: censorship
buggo
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that reminds me; i was meaning to ask...i sort of assumed from your name that you were female but never asked you...so what is it xoxos?
(if it's any consolation i'm a bug....the very picture of homely androgyny.)
(if it's any consolation i'm a bug....the very picture of homely androgyny.)
Message 6/26 26-Sep-98 @ 06:10 AM - RE: censorship
buggo
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oops i cannt rag on ac about spelleng wen i'm gonna mak mystakes too....androgeny....much bettr...
Message 7/26 26-Sep-98 @ 11:55 AM - RE: censorship
I see QuickSave are doing 2Litres of Lemonade
fo 29p. You cant be bad to that. I mean 29p ...
Thats Fuck all
fo 29p. You cant be bad to that. I mean 29p ...
Thats Fuck all
Message 8/26 27-Sep-98 @ 02:05 PM - RE: censorship
Ok, Belinda... I skipped half your rant because I saw my name and saw you taliking shit.... I skipped everyone's replies, too.. So, all I've got to say is in response to that and not any of the other shit... Tho I'll go back and read everything else, and post again, I'm sure... Sick? when the fuck did I say that? You're full of it.. If I ever said anything like that, it was in jest.. Because I have made CLEAR on many occasions that WITHOUT MALICE I will say whatever the fuck I want, including nigger, faggot, cunt, whore, whatever...... I don't feel as if any taboos are off limits, as long as they are made in a humourous way. I have made it VERY clear that I feel this way on dozens of occasions, and why do you say this shit now? Because I supported your ban from the site? Feeling a little bitchy and got a new IP address? Give it the fuck up.. You were a fucking bitch to one Mr Monro, in such a hurtful way that I lost whatever respect I had for you in the first place.. A person that I have known for a while, have appreciated the humour of, and, dare I say it, a FRIEND of mine, who it really does affect me that you tore into, in such a way to really make him feel like shit.. You are talking out of your ass, Bel.. Don't you fucking get me involved in your petty litte shit disturbing antics.. You fucked it up for yourself.. You know how easy it'd be for you to be a dissenter to the normal flow of things (Whatever the hell that is.. As far as I know, all of us just shoot the shit and talk about how Norman Cook does timestretch... Hardly contreversial material) ?????? I mean, come on.. Nathan Looney, who has had a bad reputation on all the tech sites for as long as I can remember, is hanging around.. And we don't give him shit... Fascism? What the fuck. ... Yup, Kilo's the UberNazi, utterly bent on his world dominating goal of female repression and banning free speech.. Bullshit.. Truth is, Belinda, you have problems. If you have beef with the site, GO ELSEWHERE... There is no reason for you to hang around somewhere where YOU DON'T LIKE THE SYSOP AND THE FEELING IS MUTUAL.. (Not speaking for Kilo, of course, that's his job.... But this is what I gather.) .. Thing is, YOU ARE PISSED OFF AT KILO, HAVE BEEN, AND YOU HAVE SOME SICK REVENGE FANTASY THAT YOU NEED TO FULFILL... Get over it, girl! The best revenge, if you were truly righteous, would be to become a household raver name or a superstar DJ and prove that you're as good as they come... And at that point, who cares, right? If you don't give a fuck about Dancetech, then you never have to mention it again.. And when Mindspawn or someone else (Maybe me, maybe whoever) mentions Dancetech in a Mixmag article, you can say how bad we suck. Whatever, you need to just realize that you're freakin out... Yes, I like Kilo... He's one of the best friends that I have that I've never met.. Probably a closer aquaintance, however, would be Jock, who I really do like, and who I feel bad for concerning your shitty attack on him. Now, I am very fond of Kilo (I owe him quite a few rounds of lager), but I don't give a shit about protecting his point of view if I think he's wrong... If I thought Kilo was wrong about something, I'd tell him to shove it right up his ass.. I wouldn't have it any other way... And I'm pretty sure he wouldn't either.. And I think you're wrong belinda.... DOn't you try to drag my shit into this.. You tried to "Get me on your side" when you thought you were mounting some massive assault against the "Fascist Tyranny of Kilo" (Haha) And it didn't work then.,.... You're smoking crack, bitch, and I told you as much, and that's the only reason you wanna include me in you stupid little Misanthropist rant..... Fuck you.. All you are is some dumb bitch from austrailia who thinks that you can change people's opinions about shit because of your gender.. Admit it, it's true.. You know it.. It's so funny.. Because the same things that you try to throw at the site are the things that make you transparent and shallow... you are such a sham, belinda, you need to get a grip and move on with your fucking life... And not try to bring my ass into any of your stupid arguements.. I don't give a shit about race, creed, sexual orientation, gender, or anything.. I have no biases towards anyone because of things that are not of their own doing.. I judge all equally.. And I have judged you, Belinda, Acid Cat, regardless of gender or anything else, to be a piece of shit. So, fuck you, and let's hope we never meet and don't you drag my name in the mud without thinking about what you're saying, bitch, because I will not lay passively while you talk shit about me; just because I'm a regular who doesn't happen to agree with you.
Message 9/26 27-Sep-98 @ 02:23 PM - RE: censorship
I have forwarded this to your last known email addresses, in case you don't come back to see what we said (I know you will) , and am perfectly willing to take this shit up with you in private... Don't ever think that you can talk shit about me and not get a response
Message 10/26 27-Sep-98 @ 10:48 PM - RE: censorship
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haven't read a word (can't be bothered) but I've got to ask if theres any butch, skinheaded, dungaree wearing lesbians in here?
Whoops, can you censor that please?
Whoops, can you censor that please?
Message 11/26 28-Sep-98 @ 03:12 AM - RE: censorship
Why cant more people be like Sedusa, Jock, Buggo and anyother sarcastic ass like myself?
8)
out...
8)
out...
Message 13/26 28-Sep-98 @ 07:47 PM - RE: censorship
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Whats the difference between Batman and a Black man?
Message 14/26 28-Sep-98 @ 09:43 PM - Holger
Hey AC !
i will reply to your thread later (no time at the moment)
but, please keep in mind what fantastic Ressource
Kilo´s Site really is (also besides the Chat area :-) !
This makes him no "Hero" but something near to that ;-)
I write back later (when i have the neccessary time)
Holger
i will reply to your thread later (no time at the moment)
but, please keep in mind what fantastic Ressource
Kilo´s Site really is (also besides the Chat area :-) !
This makes him no "Hero" but something near to that ;-)
I write back later (when i have the neccessary time)
Holger
Message 15/26 29-Sep-98 @ 12:04 AM - RE: censorship
rouge
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Batman can go out without robin' (... I think thats how it goes?!?)
Message 16/26 29-Sep-98 @ 02:28 AM - RE: censorship
The only thing wrong w/ AC's rant is that she hasn't realized kilo's already done her work for her. That little episode in time ravaged this chat site, and there are no signs of it ever getting back. A lot of the old regulars got chased off by it, discourse is in general bland and at worst annoying, and, at least on the technical page, we've been reduced to talking about all kinds newbie bullshit without ever getting into serious tech-talk. I LIKED serious tech-talk, not humor, ranting, or slagging, let alone rascism or sexism.
Maybe I sided against kilo (though NOT WITH AC) at one time because I as well am not a white male, and so can appreciate the views of fellow minorities on a deeper level than he.
In actuality, though, I was simply offended by his deletion of certain threads, the censorship which AC is referring to. Now I realize there was no reason for me to even take such an active part, because by kilo's censorship, without letting the problems run their courses or allowing people to resolve the differences between themselves, he did an injustice to his people (yes, this is his kingdom, one which I am perfectly happy not ruling myself) that has encouraged many of us to exercise our right to not be here.
AC is wrong to attack kilo so viciously, he's a good guy that's done more altruistically than can be said for myself, most people I've ever met, or she; he's not a god, and he made a mistake. At the same time, I don't like seeing xoxos or buggo step actively into the foray when you guys haven't had history on this site. You've gotta earn your stripes, kiddies.
hehehe, and see that, Sedusa, that little piece of shit noteven put you in the same class as himself (BWAAHAHAHA!!!!!!). As I remember it, NE, kilo himself ORDERED you to shut your shit, and you're not welcome here by many of us.
All said, I wish kilo luck with this site, it's his and he deserves the right to run it any way he sees fit. I've never expected perfection, I mean he's WHITE, after all ;).
Maybe I sided against kilo (though NOT WITH AC) at one time because I as well am not a white male, and so can appreciate the views of fellow minorities on a deeper level than he.
In actuality, though, I was simply offended by his deletion of certain threads, the censorship which AC is referring to. Now I realize there was no reason for me to even take such an active part, because by kilo's censorship, without letting the problems run their courses or allowing people to resolve the differences between themselves, he did an injustice to his people (yes, this is his kingdom, one which I am perfectly happy not ruling myself) that has encouraged many of us to exercise our right to not be here.
AC is wrong to attack kilo so viciously, he's a good guy that's done more altruistically than can be said for myself, most people I've ever met, or she; he's not a god, and he made a mistake. At the same time, I don't like seeing xoxos or buggo step actively into the foray when you guys haven't had history on this site. You've gotta earn your stripes, kiddies.
hehehe, and see that, Sedusa, that little piece of shit noteven put you in the same class as himself (BWAAHAHAHA!!!!!!). As I remember it, NE, kilo himself ORDERED you to shut your shit, and you're not welcome here by many of us.
All said, I wish kilo luck with this site, it's his and he deserves the right to run it any way he sees fit. I've never expected perfection, I mean he's WHITE, after all ;).
Message 17/26 29-Sep-98 @ 06:29 AM - RE: censorship
how do you keep a black person out of your front yard?
hang him in the back!!!!!
hang him in the back!!!!!
Message 18/26 29-Sep-98 @ 06:49 AM - RE: censorship
ahahahahahahha....... very witty....actually hilly, the site count has simply decreased due to lack of updates... not the AC rant-a-thon
Hilly, MY opinion is, simply this....
that humans fail to percive their essential basic humaness, and live their life basically reacting over and over to a series of stimuli & conditioning.... so..... we tend to see a problem as being always attatched to it's external manifestation... as opposed to a simple set of human conditions thru which we all function.... and ultimately can overcome
so..... white supremacists in reality, are functioning simply as do black supremacists, male supremacists, or female supremacists or any of the numerous political or religious supremacists........ what we fail to percieve is that the issue we deal with is simply the feeling of supremacy which is a manifestation of individual human behaviour....er....or something....
Hilly, MY opinion is, simply this....
that humans fail to percive their essential basic humaness, and live their life basically reacting over and over to a series of stimuli & conditioning.... so..... we tend to see a problem as being always attatched to it's external manifestation... as opposed to a simple set of human conditions thru which we all function.... and ultimately can overcome
so..... white supremacists in reality, are functioning simply as do black supremacists, male supremacists, or female supremacists or any of the numerous political or religious supremacists........ what we fail to percieve is that the issue we deal with is simply the feeling of supremacy which is a manifestation of individual human behaviour....er....or something....
Message 19/26 29-Sep-98 @ 02:39 PM - RE: censorship
i'll bloody say it again. life is problematic. you take it personally, then it sucks.
xoxos.
xoxos.
Message 20/26 29-Sep-98 @ 03:02 PM - RE: censorship
and hilevelt - what is serious tech talk?
first of all, thanks for your tips to everyone. your experience is quite an asset to all of us with less. the tech area should be answering these dumb questions that we have when something doesn't work or doesn't sound like we want it to. but beyond that, what?? serious tech talk? i simply can't imagine. hopefully one day i will be able to hold a conversation on close ground with you re. equipment knowledge, but for now, what would be more engaging for you? what do you mean?
curious,
xoxos.
first of all, thanks for your tips to everyone. your experience is quite an asset to all of us with less. the tech area should be answering these dumb questions that we have when something doesn't work or doesn't sound like we want it to. but beyond that, what?? serious tech talk? i simply can't imagine. hopefully one day i will be able to hold a conversation on close ground with you re. equipment knowledge, but for now, what would be more engaging for you? what do you mean?
curious,
xoxos.
Message 21/26 29-Sep-98 @ 03:29 PM - RE: censorship
xoxos, sorry, I addressed you on the EVENT-BEWARE thread instead of here.
Thinking about it, I'm probably confused about how tech-y this site really ever got. A friend of mine and I like to talk pretty deeply about tech-stuff (not as bad as AH ;), like finding long, drawn-out ways to address simple problems just 'cause it's kind of fun and creative to do things different than the norm.
In fact, somebody w/ an s2000 put me in my place over the matter a couple of weeks ago, when I couldn't understand his assigning of cc#'s and lfo's to accomplish something that seemed easily accomplished on the console. When the entire process was explained to me I realized that he'd done something MUCH cooler and unique, and in turn influenced the way I've been working since. THAT is what I like to get out of DT.
Thinking about it, I'm probably confused about how tech-y this site really ever got. A friend of mine and I like to talk pretty deeply about tech-stuff (not as bad as AH ;), like finding long, drawn-out ways to address simple problems just 'cause it's kind of fun and creative to do things different than the norm.
In fact, somebody w/ an s2000 put me in my place over the matter a couple of weeks ago, when I couldn't understand his assigning of cc#'s and lfo's to accomplish something that seemed easily accomplished on the console. When the entire process was explained to me I realized that he'd done something MUCH cooler and unique, and in turn influenced the way I've been working since. THAT is what I like to get out of DT.
Message 22/26 29-Sep-98 @ 04:26 PM - RE: censorship
We could do with more threads along those kind of lines eh?.. Something to get you're brain working when you get to do you're music... It's why I'm here.. Unfortunatley people seem to take the piss if you try to get one of those going.. probably people with no useful input..
Message 23/26 30-Sep-98 @ 01:49 AM - RE: censorship
well, i reckon the site is a bit like life... those little gems from others crop up now and again.... it's not an everyday thing.... besides, alot of folks guard their little sound secrets ....... ultimately, if the new site CAN get going, and all that, and draws in more readers, then there's a higher chance of more stuff coming thru
Message 24/26 30-Sep-98 @ 01:56 AM - RE: censorship
aah. i see now. i have an s200. nice assignable mods.
i used a mirage dsk8 as my core for 5 years. believe me, i have been through every possibility with that machine. usually when i write (especially now) it's in my head, and i have to find some way to materialise it, so i usually don't look for inspiration; however, i have to admit richie's thingy somewhere using velocity sensitive panning on a snare roll was intriguing.
as such, thinking along the mirage lines, my area of concentration seemed to be in breaking samples into pieces and sequencing them, ie. instead of a word, 8 little bits of the word sequenced in 128ths to produce an 8-tone sequence that vaguely sounded like the word. i'd write very intricate, often unrewarding sequences where phrases, samples folded in and out of themselves as i adjusted the value of the tonal programming 128/64/32 or whatever. i rarely used melodies or timbres because i had a sampler. big logical talk amngler.
that do anything for you? it's a start.
xoxos.
i used a mirage dsk8 as my core for 5 years. believe me, i have been through every possibility with that machine. usually when i write (especially now) it's in my head, and i have to find some way to materialise it, so i usually don't look for inspiration; however, i have to admit richie's thingy somewhere using velocity sensitive panning on a snare roll was intriguing.
as such, thinking along the mirage lines, my area of concentration seemed to be in breaking samples into pieces and sequencing them, ie. instead of a word, 8 little bits of the word sequenced in 128ths to produce an 8-tone sequence that vaguely sounded like the word. i'd write very intricate, often unrewarding sequences where phrases, samples folded in and out of themselves as i adjusted the value of the tonal programming 128/64/32 or whatever. i rarely used melodies or timbres because i had a sampler. big logical talk amngler.
that do anything for you? it's a start.
xoxos.
Message 25/26 30-Sep-98 @ 09:10 AM - RE: censorship
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.. There was that drum loop thing they did in future music magazine that was the same.. They provided the sample and told you where to make all the cuts on the sample to get a 1/16ths version of the drum loop.. Sounds good with vocals.. Does the A3000 do that anyway though?..
I know what you're saying kilo.. Some things you do are a case of learning whats allready been done before.. Sort of learning the trade as it were.. Some people are happy with that but other people like to experiment and see what happens.. Most of the time it's nothing good but every now and then you hit on something.. Then you sit on it for years and growl at anyone who tries to find out how you did it.. I could do with someone telling me how to stay with a track long enough to get it sequenced..
I know what you're saying kilo.. Some things you do are a case of learning whats allready been done before.. Sort of learning the trade as it were.. Some people are happy with that but other people like to experiment and see what happens.. Most of the time it's nothing good but every now and then you hit on something.. Then you sit on it for years and growl at anyone who tries to find out how you did it.. I could do with someone telling me how to stay with a track long enough to get it sequenced..
Message 26/26 30-Sep-98 @ 04:16 PM - RE: censorship
Cat,
Humans do and say stupid things sometimes. That was a lot of whinging that didn't say all that much. Trying to express your ideas with fluidity is one thing. Gnawing everybody's ear off, trying to be eloquent, and just ending up blabbering is another. Stop beating a dead horse. People have their prejudices, and you won't change them. Not like that. Figure it out.
Oh yeah...male, female, or othwerwise, don't fuck with what I say, and try to twist it into tools for your petty whimperings. This pathetic issue is beneath me and my cause. If it was really censorship that you were complaining about, I might sympathize, but you seem to be on about some feminist shite that I have no time for. If somebody was trying to pay you less, or discriminate against you being able to do something in the "real world", I might feel differently, but this isn't your world. If you don't like being here, fuck off! You don't have to hang around. Life isn't fair here. You either hold your own, or leave. Simple. Wah-wah is boring. If you'vegot real beef with somebody, go toe to toe with them. This long-winded feminist manifesto bullshit is for lawyers and politicians, which all should be shot, as far as I'm concerned. Get a life, and address the issues head on. If kilo deleted something you wrote, don't cry about it for half a month. Tell him he's a bastard for deleting it, and get on with life. Simple. Much more worthy of respect than some boring novella, quietly attacking multiple parties with subtlety and guile.
Ape
Humans do and say stupid things sometimes. That was a lot of whinging that didn't say all that much. Trying to express your ideas with fluidity is one thing. Gnawing everybody's ear off, trying to be eloquent, and just ending up blabbering is another. Stop beating a dead horse. People have their prejudices, and you won't change them. Not like that. Figure it out.
Oh yeah...male, female, or othwerwise, don't fuck with what I say, and try to twist it into tools for your petty whimperings. This pathetic issue is beneath me and my cause. If it was really censorship that you were complaining about, I might sympathize, but you seem to be on about some feminist shite that I have no time for. If somebody was trying to pay you less, or discriminate against you being able to do something in the "real world", I might feel differently, but this isn't your world. If you don't like being here, fuck off! You don't have to hang around. Life isn't fair here. You either hold your own, or leave. Simple. Wah-wah is boring. If you'vegot real beef with somebody, go toe to toe with them. This long-winded feminist manifesto bullshit is for lawyers and politicians, which all should be shot, as far as I'm concerned. Get a life, and address the issues head on. If kilo deleted something you wrote, don't cry about it for half a month. Tell him he's a bastard for deleting it, and get on with life. Simple. Much more worthy of respect than some boring novella, quietly attacking multiple parties with subtlety and guile.
Ape
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