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Subject: I need back-up!
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Original Message 1/27 11-Jul-98 @ 06:13 PM - I need back-up!
Message 2/27 11-Jul-98 @ 10:17 PM - RE: I need back-up!
(the zip+ is a marginal better version than its predecessor).
Message 3/27 12-Jul-98 @ 11:23 AM - RE: I need back-up!
'ain't no one got your back, kid, you's gos'ta look out fer yer own'
Message 4/27 13-Jul-98 @ 02:27 PM - RE: I need back-up!
i wouldn't use a ZIP for anything but backup, and even then they're really fucking slow. besides, for $150 you can have a 2.5GB Western Digital IDE drive, and i've never had any problems with WD.
Message 5/27 14-Jul-98 @ 11:38 PM - RE: I need back-up!
Message 6/27 14-Jul-98 @ 11:45 PM - RE: I need back-up!
1. physically install the drive onto the motherboard (this can go directly to the interface or as a slave drive)
2. Run fdisk.exe this will create partitions and give the new drive a letter.
once it's given a letter, windows will recognize it.
and there ya go pardner... I'll fix your wagon.
what'ya doin callin yourself a geek anyways...?
late.
Message 7/27 15-Jul-98 @ 01:31 AM - RE: I need back-up!
1, install the new h/d..... now.. it may be that the cdrom is setup as the slave to the current primary ide drive.. that is... it shares the same ide flexi-cable.... if so, get a new ide cable and connect up the new drive to the second ide bus socket.. (it's next to the first one that the current drive & cdrom is attatched to on the motherboard).... make sure the pin1 on the socket is also going to pin 1 on the drive socket..... they are marked..... also...... make sure the jumpers are set on the drive to make it SINGLE DRIVE if it is alone on that cable..... if it is a UDMA drive... dont bother setting it to SPECIAL setting position, unless your cmos/bios can support udma... if your motherboard is more that a year old.. it may not.......
2. go into your system bios/cmos.... usually by hitting the delete button as the pc boots up...
as it boots up... when the first numbers are reading off after the ram test...... it'll say on screen press whatever to enter setup...... ok... once in... you see menu's usually with a blue screen..... use the arrow buttons to select ide drives setup or whatever it is called on your make of bios....once in, there is a list...
now... (presuming you HAVE got the drive set on the secondary ide bus alone)..... it'll ask you to select primary master... ignore... or skip.... next primary slave... again ignore /skip..... next secondary master... ok.. NOW...most likely you'll have a mode 2 udma drive... as they are all that is going around now....... going rate is about 130 for a 4.5 gb udma eide drive... ok....
IT IS REAL IMPORTANT TO HAVE ALL THE NUMBERS WRITTEN DOWN from the new drive casing..... or in the case of Fujitsu, (god-bless-'em)... the include it printed on paper !!!... ... ok... you need to have written down the size of the drive , cylinders, etc etc... all the figures printed on the drive casing..... now
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4. once into secondary master section... set it ....shit i aint done this for about 3 months.... er..... there is a row of columns running across from the secondary drive title on the left....in the first and last column you can choose from: AUTO, USER & LARGE etc i cant remember if there is another..... set them to USER.... where you can fill in the figures manually.... set the cylinder number.. and the drive size.... set it to LBA in one of the columns called MODE... shit... i cant see this and reply to the thread !!..... but basically,... fill in the numbers youve taken from the drive into the corresponding columns....... when it's all filled out........ hit OK... it'll ask for secondary slave... set it to NONE.......
then select SAVE TO CMOS AND EXIT........ reboot.....
ok.... on reboot on the black screen after the ram test you should see the drive listed by make model and size and mode.. which should be mode2 i think for udma, or mode 4 otherwise......
next..... depends if you are running dos under windows... if you are .... as the pc screen says STARTING WINDOWS.... hit the F8 key...... you have to be quick... if you miss it.. wait till it is booted into windows... power down... re-boot... and be faster next time .....
ok...... once you hit F8... you get alist... choose COMMAND PROMPT ONLY........
this takes you to DOS.....
IF there is NO DOS..... go to windows... and go into the dos box from the start menu.... whatever way you get there.... once you are there..... type FDISK........ and you are into FDISK......
ok... options are..... blimey er..... OH YES... you'll be asked if you wish to choose large disk support.. choose NO... you're gonna loose some of the drive whatever.... about 100 mb max depending on the drives size.....latest windows/dos can see a max of 2gb or 1.99 gb to be precise.... there are fixes with utilities from the disk manufacturers... but they suck... and i'll be here all night... drives are so cheap who cares if you loose a lousey 100mb.. that's life..... choose NO
1. select... CHANGE CURRENT FIXED DISK DRIVE
you'll get a list... select your new drive.......which will not have a drive letter allocated yet.... just the size listed.....once selected..... you go automatically.....
2. back to first menu.... select:
CREATE DOS PARTITION OR LOGICAL DISK DRIVE
then you get offered size option..... if it's a 2 gb drive... you'll get almost the lot... if it's a 2.5 you'll get a choice of about 2 x 1.23gb... or select max size for first logical drive... you choose..... split in half is good.... or one large... and one smaller... follow it like that depending on drive size... but 1.99 will be max offered..... you have to set one new partition..... then repeat the process to create the second logical drive on the same drive..... ok... you now review all the drives by checking with selection:
CHANGE CURRENT FIXED DISK DRIVE...... you'll see all the listed drives... witth their partitions......
OK....... EXIT.....
NOW... GO TO WINDOWS.... AND THE NEW DRIVES SHOULD BE LISTED.... FORMAT THEM....... that's it.......
VARIATIONS.... some times the manufacturer will supply the pc with the h/d on primary bus as master.. and the cdrom on secondary bus as secondary master... if so... add the new drive as primary slave... make sure the jumpers on the primary master (original drive) are changed to be MASTER... although often, you dont have to change anything, as SINGLE DRIVE & MASTER is the same jumper setting... but make sure the new drive in this case is set with jumpers to position for it to be SLAVE...... then, in the cmos setup, make the settings as above but where it is the PRIMARY SLAVE DRIVE setting..... and that's it.....
often, after adding the drive and setting in cmos..... the drive is not recognised.... check all jumper settings, and the cable and er... (and i've done this loads of times!!)... make sure there is a power lead going into it !!!... heh .... if there is not a spare one dangling around inside the pc.... which i doubt there will not be..... you can get a cheap splitter... which plugs into one of the power sockets... and splits to 2 new ones...... if persistantly the drive fails to be recognised.... go into cmos... and check the settings... if all else fails... try it in AUTO mode..... although i dont recommend it.....
Message 8/27 15-Jul-98 @ 03:59 AM - RE: I need back-up!
hff
Message 9/27 15-Jul-98 @ 07:15 AM - RE: I need back-up!
Message 10/27 15-Jul-98 @ 06:55 PM - RE: I need back-up!
Message 11/27 15-Jul-98 @ 07:40 PM - RE: I need back-up!
late...
hff
Message 12/27 15-Jul-98 @ 08:24 PM - RE: I need back-up!
Message 14/27 16-Jul-98 @ 02:13 AM - RE: I need back-up!
Message 15/27 16-Jul-98 @ 04:03 AM - RE: I need back-up!
know that you 4 IDE devices in most computers(usually one hard and CDROM at the onset) we should try to make it even easier on him:
First of all ,make copies of your autoexec.bat,config.sys and your CDROM drivers(hopefully you can install your CDROM from a floppy utility program)
Most hard drive manufacturers have a EZ-Drive type install utility in their web site. What's good about this is that it creates a separate BIOS so you won't have to deal with the regular BIOS at. You won't have to worry if your BIOS is young or old which is the biggest problem installing new drives. Plus this utility usually creates a boot up disk to install your hard drive which is pretty painless. Get yourself a copy of this first.
Next you want to go into Windows 95 and create a startup disk. Go to Start, Settings, Control Panel. Double-click Add/Remove Programs, go to the Startup Disk tab and click Create Disk. Make sure you have a floppy in the drive. If you have Win95B (or OSR2)this will give the option of using FAT32 versus FAT16. You can check to see if you have Win95B by right-clicking on My Computer and selecting Properties. you would see a line that says 4.00.950B under System: on the General tab. FAT32 allows Windows to use drives 2gig or larger as a single drive. The earlier version of Win95 limits the size of your to 2gig. You also lose some of your drive space. The reason for this is the way FAT16 clusters the drive versus FAT32.
Hypothetical Example:
FAT16 makes 16KB clusters(not sure of exact number but it is higher than FAT32. FAT32 make 8KB clusters(this is a possible number). Only one file can reside in one cluster. Say you had 100 5kb (a total of 500KB,this is an extreme case but it does happen)files in your system. In the FAT16 drive you would be using 1.6gig to store 500KB versus 800KB in FAT32. Using FAT32 (if you have it) gets you past "partitioning a drive" hell. Not fun for the novice.
Assuming you are buying a new drive, why have a crackhead driving your Ferrari?? Your new drive should be the primary master (for more reasons than I care to mention: seek time,throughput,it's newer!!)
Once you have your two boot up floppies from above, turn off your computer, disconnect all the wires connected to the back of your original drive and connect them to your new one. Like Kilo mentioned above, you might need a power splitter for your other drive and maybe another ribbon cable to make your drive the secondary. Don't connect your original drive yet! Boot up computer and follow the EZ utility instructions(at some point it might ask for the Win95 startup disk to enable FAT32 support, don't bother if you don't have Win95B). Once the utility is done start off with a fresh install of Win95 (why not, new drive!!) Install your CDROM drive first. Once Win 95 is installed you are almost there.
Most computers have 2 IDE ports (a primary and a secondary) on the motherboard. Each port can connect 2 IDE devices (a master and a slave)by way of a ribbon cable. Your original drive should have been on the primary ribbon cable(primary master). If you follow the ribbon cable it more than likely also connects to the back of your CDROM(primary slave), then your motherboard. Leave it like that! If you want to reconnect your old hard drive(I wouldn't, unless it's large) You should connect it as secondary master. Your primary(as the name implies) gets first dibs on communicating with your computer. If you were going to use your old drive as a storage unit you wouldn't need to communicate that much. Once you connect the drive, hit the delete key and go into you old BIOS(blue screen). Find the option called IDE HDD Auto Detection (or something like that). Search for primary. It should find your new drive and two bogus choices. The way to select the right one is to see which Cylinders and Heads values match what's on your drive. Skip by primary slave. At secondary master it should find your old drive. If it doesn't, you might have to switch the jumper settings on the back(a pain in the ass!!)Hope you got your old hard drive manual cause they're all different. Once you figure that out, go into Windows and start moving what your programs over. It's better to run the setup files again on the new drive instead of just moving files over in case the program dumps shit into the registry or the Windows folder. Then move whatever wave, midi (or whatever) files you need over.
I just did this major surgery 3 weeks ago and everything is just peachy. All the s/w programs you love will run in FAT32: Cakewalk,Rebirth, Hammerhead, Vaz, etc.
Good luck
P.S. I love this computer shit!!!
Islandman
alugo@ameritech.net
Message 16/27 22-Jul-98 @ 07:32 PM - RE: I need back-up!
I want a CD-writer to make audio CD's AND for Data back-up so what shall I do?
What does this 24 speed stuff mean? What is it used for?
Message 17/27 23-Jul-98 @ 12:26 AM - RE: I need back-up!
Mine records at 2x but now there are 4x cheap models that will be good for backup and audiocd .
Look carefully , all the 8x recorders are NOT fully compatible .
Message 18/27 23-Jul-98 @ 12:52 AM - RE: I need back-up!
what you're asking him to do is in fact rebuild a new machine from scratch..... and there's to little sequential information in your description, and too many missing parts....... like... once you've connected your new drive... hit the delete key to enter set up..... this is gibberish to a newbie.... no offense, but he'll just end up with a fucked computer... i would if i followed that.... :-)
Message 19/27 23-Jul-98 @ 02:06 AM - RE: I need back-up!
With the price of hard drives these days I would never use an old drive and since this guy sound like he's trying to build a whole new system, why not start from scratch? I do ramble on...I'm an incoherent fuck, I know...;)
Peace
Message 20/27 23-Jul-98 @ 08:40 AM - RE: I need back-up!
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Message 22/27 24-Jul-98 @ 06:21 PM - RE: I need back-up!
Message 23/27 26-Jul-98 @ 01:01 AM - RE: I need back-up!
Message 24/27 26-Jul-98 @ 10:16 AM - RE: I need back-up!
stress it's actually real easy. Never done it before and it only took about an hour to do, just followed
the directions that came with the drive, which btw are exactly what the people here are tellin ya.
And I didn't have to ask for help or nuthin
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