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Original Message 1/28 26-Jul-98 @ 06:27 PM - Throw your VST in the bin

Rouge

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I used to have the old cubase and that worked okay
although that too had a few bugs but I thought I'd upgrade
and have had some major problems with that piece of crap Cubase VST.

The timing is as fucked as can be yet the timing is
perfect on every other sequencer I have.

The MIDI instrument selector remains blank and unusable
(so I have to write down every MIDI instrument and
select instruments the slowwwww way - program number)

All audio files seem to enjoy crackling throughout the
entire song (and this is just one audio track and one MIDI track)

So, what I say is unless we all get together and sew the pants off
Steinberg then these dumbfuck companies are going to constantly take
the piss with us and flog us dodgy software that doesn't even work!

Why is this thing so fucking hyped - have we all been brainwashed?
I only bought the piece of shit because everyone constantly droned on
about Cubase VST!

Sorry, I'll take my pills now

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Message 2/28 26-Jul-98 @ 06:34 PM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

Will

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Yeah- my mates got VST and he has no end of problems wid it. Don't believe the hype. I think cakewalks a much better way to go...

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Message 3/28 26-Jul-98 @ 08:47 PM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

daniella

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No fucking comment...this could end up in court...STILL noone knows the fate of my fucked up p.c
Steinburg bastards.

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Message 4/28 26-Jul-98 @ 10:58 PM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

Hilevelt

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Yeah, we all know it can be shitty at first, but once you get it worked out on your system there's a lot to offer. You can find timing tips on the web that make a HUGE difference (for instance, set your system preroll really high, mine's 1000 just to be safe, and make sure it's sync'ing to the sample output of your sound card, not to the dma)

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Message 5/28 27-Jul-98 @ 12:37 AM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

kilo

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that first one made me laugh.... heh heh... very funny.....i'll take my pills now... ha hahhh.....

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Message 6/28 27-Jul-98 @ 12:40 AM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

kilo

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where's this pre-roll then ??.........

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Message 7/28 27-Jul-98 @ 02:53 AM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

splitmod

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Options --> Synchronization --> MROS/System Resolution.
There's some instructions on how to configure this for optimal performance in the PDF manual, I think.

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Message 8/28 27-Jul-98 @ 04:46 AM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

splitmod

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Also... This might be pretty obvious but anyway :
There's a bunch of parameters found under Audio --> System that can be adjusted in order to improve MIDI to Audio accuracy. There's the MIDI to Audio delay, in samples, which is useful in case MIDI playback lags behind the audio, and Priority which determines whether Audio gets priority over MIDI or vice versa. For further information consult the 'Optimizing Audio Performance' chapter in the PDF manual.

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Message 9/28 27-Jul-98 @ 08:27 AM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

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well the preroll aint gonna figure in it unless it's chasing something....... y'know... what i cannot for the life of me fathom, is.... if Sawplus can address 4 soundcards for the last 5 years... why is it such a fucking big deal for these companies to just release the OLD version of the sequencer.... with stable timing... cos all Cubase (without audio) and Cakewalk up to V5 were stable and not fussy at all..... BUT to add simple ability to output to 8 outs or 4 stereo pairs... that is all i bloody well want...... i frankly dont want built in fx & pluggins at all.... just more that 2 outs if possible...... why cant it be done ??>.... shit i tell you if i could add-on Sawplus audio side to Cubase 2.8..... but with the audio tracks marked in bars , i'd be in heaven...... I wish Bob Lentini would freelance for these other companies !!... heh heh..... guys a genius

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Message 10/28 27-Jul-98 @ 09:08 AM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

Hilevelt

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Kilo, the difference with the pre-roll is that the timing is dramatically more CONSISTENT. See, in the asio panel it'll tell you the latency of your soundcard, and since that's your sync reference, it's pretty logical that you'll want to set the pre-roll to AT LEAST that value. i.e. my Gina has a 750 ms latency, so I set the pre-roll to 800-1000.

This is highly recommended on other sites, SOS, and by me.

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Message 11/28 27-Jul-98 @ 12:46 PM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

Clemens

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Hi Hilvelt and splitmod

You�ve got it...... thats what I tell everyone....

have a look at the ASIO System- Settings, preroll values etc.

Thats what I did too... and my system works fine, nearly no trouble with VST.....

BUT: THAT SHOULD BE STEINBERGS JOB TO INFORM THEIR CUSTOMERS, ... but theres no Steinberg maintained forum out there..... they do a bad marketing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ciao

Clemens

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Message 12/28 27-Jul-98 @ 01:04 PM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

kilo

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so what you're saying is... that the sync section is not pertaining to an external syncronisation , but it's also for internal sync between midi & the audio side ???...... well, my soundcards is fucked for vst anyways.... so i'll have to change that.... but all in all, i'm going to try some sync's with external sequencer, and various h/d trackers first.....

Agreed about the forum thing.... as you know, i made the Steinberg /Cubase forum here, for them to evaluate, they said they would check it out as a functioning entity and see if they wanted it to be added into their site.... I explained that their tech guys could go online, and answer questions, and that others would answer stuff too, as they do here, and that with the search, it'd become like a big help resource, if they added it to thier site, and brought the users in to make it grow......... haven't heard nada from them.... I think they are shit scared of popularising a forum, that is going to be chokka full of people screaming that their system dont work.... heh heh...... still.... they made their site more pretty huh??.....

i dunno..... what a life..... the problem is... who the fuck wants to spend around 1400 quid or more, just to discover IF the system can work or not ??.... and i mean by that a P2, with scsi U/W audio drive, and decent soundcard + the s/w price too.... actually it'd be a bit more than that if you went for a higher end P2 and card.....

Karl at System-Solutions was telling me that the Creamware card that accompanies Triple-Dat s/w has maga low latency, with excellent asio drivers for VST.... like Gina is 500ms latency.... the Creamware card is like 70ms !!....

Lastly ....Clemens mate... what EXACTLY do you mean when you say..... NEARLY NO TROUBLE WITH VST.... cos I thought you said it was fine??...... NEARLY , is not NONE........ what is your prob with it?.....i'm interested...

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Message 13/28 27-Jul-98 @ 10:44 PM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

Clemens

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Yeep.... nearly means that I had two or three crashes within the last 6 month, thats all !

AND: thats true: I�ve checked out VST in combination with the Creamware masterport card. 70ms system latency, rewally cool!!!!! AND: its an ISA card !!!!!!!!!!

With my Maxi PRO I have about 350 ms latency. Not so bad for an ISA card without special ASIO drivers. Better than EWS !? With the fucking AWE 64 you�ll get about 750 ms.

You can tune up GINA to 400 ms (less buffer size, about 3). But you need some patience when squeezing ASIO (sometimes VST will quit or your soundcard stalls).

Ciao

Clemens

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Message 14/28 28-Jul-98 @ 01:54 AM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

Hilevelt

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Hey, how do I get the Gina asio drivers? I check the Event site every day, but nothing. Does it help with anything besides using VST effects real-time?

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Message 15/28 28-Jul-98 @ 05:30 AM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

kilo

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wow.... 3 crashes in a month... that is well acceptable for a pc....

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Message 16/28 28-Jul-98 @ 05:45 AM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

Hilevelt

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hehe...er...is that sarcasm ;)

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Message 17/28 28-Jul-98 @ 08:16 AM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

Clemens

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he, he, he..... sorry guys, but my PC seems to be very stable.... no crashes at all.

The only freezings I had when I tried to optimize the system latency of VST in combination with my Maxi card (buffers > 8 will cause crashes).

...... BUT: I should open the housing and take a look at the mainboard.... should it be a MAC in a normal PC housing ?? :-))...........

have fun

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Message 18/28 28-Jul-98 @ 10:39 AM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

faust

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heh heh Clemens...err no wait I figured it out you're actually a Steinberg disinformation agent
aren't you?

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Message 19/28 28-Jul-98 @ 04:12 PM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

Clemens

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hihi, hahahaha, uhhhh, he he he... oh shit, can�t stop laughing ......

Steinberg agent..... oh god, noooooo !!!

Well, I�m from Germany, but really no member of the Steinberg clan, not employed, no other relationships to any Steinberg�s.....

I�m just a fuckin Steinberg customer who offers free midi- and recording hotline in WWW for all musicians who do have trouble with sequencing software, PC�s, soundcards, etc.
.... and I really love this Dancetech forum.... its by far the best one out there in cyberspace..... huh.... this compliment is yours, kilo !!

ciao.... hi, hi, ha,ha...... still laughing....

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Message 20/28 28-Jul-98 @ 06:17 PM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

kilo

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me too...hur hur hur...... chuckle...... very droll..... tres tres.....

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Message 21/28 29-Jul-98 @ 01:43 AM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

Hilevelt

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uh oh, we're losing them

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Message 22/28 29-Jul-98 @ 06:34 PM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

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Yeah, the funny farms' next.

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Message 23/28 29-Jul-98 @ 09:16 PM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

kilo

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yeah...either via the DT chat room gags, or... the vst....aaaararaaaraaarraaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhh !!

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Message 24/28 29-Jul-98 @ 10:41 PM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

Rouge

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Ummm, I'm scared

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Message 25/28 31-Jul-98 @ 12:02 AM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

aphasia

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The words steinberg and cubase are swear words in my house cakewalk is the don until proved otherwise !!!!

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Message 26/28 01-Aug-98 @ 03:40 PM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

mattijs.janssen

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VST is great
but you need a macintosh computer!!
PC sucks
Steinberg, you can't help it
Bill Gates has to die!!!!!!!!!

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Message 27/28 02-Aug-98 @ 04:55 PM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

Rouge

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FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'VE FINALLY WORKED THIS THING OUT!

NO, YOU DON'T REALLY NEED A SPECIAL PC - YOU JUST NEED TO SPEND A LOT (LOTS AND LOTS) OF TIME PLAYING WITH THE SETTINGS!

HINT:
TRY A MIDI ROLL - QUANTIZE IT. PLAY IT. IF ITS IN BAD TIMING, THEN DISABLE AUDIO TO SEE IF ITS ANY BETTER.

IN THE AUDIO SETTINGS (ASIO) ALWAYS DETECT BUFFER SIZE AND THEN DO A THOROUGH 'CHECK BUFFER AND SYNC' . IT SHOULD BE BETTER NOW.

E-MAIL CLEMENS AT:

Clemens.Kurtz@t-online.de

THIS GUY KNOWS IT INSIDE OUT.

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Message 28/28 02-Aug-98 @ 11:33 PM - RE: Throw your VST in the bin

kilo

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yup... Clemens is THE man...... when the new dancetech comes, he's gonna run a special VST & Cubase section..... luverleee !

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