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Original Message 1/31 30-Aug-98 @ 04:09 PM - Beringher

roger

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Anyone know anything about the Beringher Eurodesks?

I'm thinking about getting the big MX8000 but have heard the cheaper beringher mixing desks are cheap and crackly and not very strong - is this true for the more expensive ones?

Beringher have just been sued by Mackie for imitation so there desks must be pretty good!

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Message 2/31 30-Aug-98 @ 05:16 PM - RE: Beringher

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ha ha....yeah, they got sued but their imitation was so fucking cheaply made that the court didn't grant Mackie the judgement...the behringers were too cheap if you can believe it...

i would stay away from beringher because they just seem to look around for a product that works (compressors, mixers, etc) that is made by someone else, and they make a copy, generally a cheap ass one...

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Message 3/31 30-Aug-98 @ 05:52 PM - RE: Beringher

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A second hand Tascam isnt a bad choice too .
Check the bests deals and try before buy . I have got surprised that in the same store some things are very expensive and some are really cheap . I say that cause in spain allways audio has been very expensive , but lately some stores have very good deals (and very bad in others LOL).

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Message 4/31 31-Aug-98 @ 12:09 AM - RE: Beringher

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I might go for the 26 or 24 channel too. Mic inputs aren't that important - its mainly for MIDI and sampling stuff - and not for taking out live.

What about Spirit - Mackie are just too expensive.

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Message 5/31 31-Aug-98 @ 02:13 PM - RE: Beringher

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I've found that Carvin has great prices on desks... check 'em out at www.carvinguitars.com

I've got one of their Studio Mate mixers, and I love it.

-Craig

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Message 6/31 01-Sep-98 @ 05:20 AM - RE: Beringher

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I use a Mackie mixer but I have some Behringer outboard gear. I take great offense to people's
opinions about the company. The Composer compressor, even though it utilizes a similar chip as the Alesis, tends to outperform any unit similarly priced. I've a/b'd between the composer and the Alesis, dbx, and a shoddy rocktron and it made them all look like a bunch of toys. It maintains a suprising amount of the low end whereas those shite rackmounts by dbx and alesis fart out like they can't hack their job. I also own a virtualizer which has some very usable and very editable presets that I guarantee would please a lot of people's ears. Their desks aren't as bad as people say and sometimes I wish I went in that direction....I just got my Mackie back from their service dept..............a month later. Anyway, who cares.....I just think they are a cool company (like Event).

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Message 7/31 01-Sep-98 @ 06:03 AM - RE: Beringher

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speaking of service centers, does anyone know how to stop faders from crackling when moved?

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Message 8/31 01-Sep-98 @ 09:09 AM - RE: Beringher

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You could try spraying some switch cleaner into the fader....

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Message 9/31 01-Sep-98 @ 06:24 PM - RE: Beringher

rouge

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In my 10 yr old Roland synth it crackles when I move the volume knob - is this normal for 'vintage' synths?

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Message 10/31 01-Sep-98 @ 08:38 PM - MX8000

rouge

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But don't you think that the Beringher MX8000 is so damn sexy - I have to grab my groin every time I see it in a magazine!

Has anyone tested/used it?

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Message 11/31 02-Sep-98 @ 01:45 AM - RE: Beringher

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isopropyl alcohol is 100% the best cleaner to use, because it evaporates 100%. anything else is just bunk to sell you. this is from someone (besides myself) who owns a big recording studio.

if you're feeling funky, why not take the thing apart and then take the switch apart and clean it out real good, then put it back together. if it's one of those switches that doesn't come apart, go buy a new one at an electronic supply store.

just make sure you unplug it first!

xoxos.

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Message 12/31 02-Sep-98 @ 04:04 AM - RE: Beringher

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I have to admit, I get hard when I see the Eurodesks in ads. I have personally used one at the dealer and have to say it really is a carbon copy of a mackie. Some say it doesn't last as long but as far as I know the pans and faders etc. are all Panasonic. They also make the lower priced 8-bus with less aux sends. The new Alesis Studio boards are really good for a 4-bus. They switch from mic to line so you can monitor sixteen signals without repatching ( I had a Ramsa from 1984 that did the same but I guess the douchebags in the big leagues forgot about that option).

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Message 13/31 02-Sep-98 @ 04:43 AM - RE: Beringher

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what I don't get is why studios have big 60-input boards and the like....I mean, for an orchestra, you could individually mic EVERY instrument...but not in a studio!! I mean the average rock band has lets say 2 guitars, bass, 8 mics on a drum set, 3 vocal mics...maybe more. Even a band with more instuments, like a ska band with brass and saxes, wouldn't use a whole lot...Still, a 16-channel or even 24 should do it...And even for electronic music, what with all the separate outs from samplers etc, why bother with all the tracks? who ever uses 'em? I've been wondering about this for quite some time...

maybe big league studio guys compensate for miniscule schlong size with big mixing desks..he he..

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Message 14/31 02-Sep-98 @ 09:33 AM - RE: Beringher

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they have to be big enuff so that if you take a photo of the band "in the studio" you can't see either end of the desk at either side of the photo - makes it look more complicated....

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Message 15/31 02-Sep-98 @ 06:58 PM - RE: Beringher

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I want a big desk so I can utilise all my MIDI gears audio outputs and basically leave it a ll plugged-in for convenience!

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Message 16/31 04-Sep-98 @ 10:47 PM - RE: Beringher

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And some extra aux sends/returns and more eq options are always nice too.

I asked someone at a shop as to why the behringer desks are so cheap compared to others, and he told me that it's because they're being made in indonesia or some other eastern country where the wages are low. He said that the quality is a bit less good than the more expensive ones, but that it's barely noticeable and probably outperforms the older mackies. If you believe salesmen that's up to you though.

I would really like to hear how it performs compared to e.g. a mackie or a spirit or whaterver from someone who knows his stuff and has used them.

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Message 17/31 05-Sep-98 @ 12:05 AM - RE: Beringher

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I was just on www.dejanews.com, did a search on 'behringer mx8000' and found a couple of threads from about a year ago about it.
Quite diverse answers/opinions... some guy said he did a couple of dance tracks on it that had gotten in de swedish/danish (ca't remember) charts, while another guy said he'd compared it to amackie in a studio, did a 1:1 test, and the behringer sounded like a kindergarten toy.

If you're really thinking about buying that desk, go to dejanews and read those threads, maybe they will help you make up your mind.

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Message 18/31 05-Sep-98 @ 11:36 AM - RE: Beringher

JAWA

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Just go into a music shop and try them all out..... its the only way

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Message 19/31 05-Sep-98 @ 12:02 PM - RE: Beringher

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Hasn't anyone here got any hands on experience with it - I live miles away from any music store that sells them so I'll probably have to take a risk on mail order!

Wheres this deja site?

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Message 20/31 05-Sep-98 @ 02:49 PM - RE: Beringher

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behringer are a fine company making great kit........... mackie are excellent mixers.... behringers are ok too.... soundcraft spirits are wicked too... but... what about older studiomaster desks... they are great, quiet, brilliant eq & routing...very good, as are older soundcrafts, .....old allen & heath are ok too...... it's just the same bunk.... a good track with great ideas and a cool hook is gonna go.....regardless of what mixer it was done on..... even a cruddy old 8 channel cheapie will get the result..... it's all starting to sound like hi-fi buffs wanking on about their pre-amps & cartridges etc...... look, there are good new desks out there, and like other areas ok kit, the facilities on offer now for the buck, are wider and better than in the past..... but go back up to 10 years, and there are great cheapies to be had too....

I personally think the eurodesk is a good bit of kit for the money, but that's my opinion..... behringers rack kit is fine, so why not their desks?...... mackie are excellent mixers, and i cant deny it... even tho they bamboozle alot with their advertising.... but great mixers.....

what i'm saying is, i don't think having a mackie over a eurodesk is gonna make the slightest difference to how well your tracks are received..... if you cant mix, you cant mix, and having a vintage harrison or neve even aint gonna change that....

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Message 21/31 05-Sep-98 @ 05:57 PM - RE: Beringher

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but then again yer mixer has to be good...you can get away with cheap kit if you can get a decent mix, but there's only so far down the quality scale you can go before it starts to sound shite...like my mixer! the Ross 6-channel powered jobbie from like '75 or so...it sounds ok for a live metal band maybe, but for any kind of music with any subtlety it is way too loud.

bottom line is essentially that just about any mixer made today will do fine for yer shit, but it depends how you like to work...make sure the routings are good for your purposes, make sure it has enough aux sends, buses, or whatever, listen to it in the shop, and GET IT! (one thing tho...I've been cautioned many times to always demo a mixer with more than just a few channels, as often they run out of headroom or the noise factor increases to unberable levels...sounds reasonable to me!)

i just ordered an old mackie 1604...great board but they've dropped off significantly in price because of the new VLZ models...try and find an old 1604, 1402, 1202, or one of their older big consoles as they are very cheap now. (my 1604 was $400 plus shipping, which is less than a new 1402 and just a little more than the new 1202, and the guy was nice enough to go over all the faders with that fader-cleaning shit and get 'em all pretty and get rid of all the scratch goo in 'em...I'll be sure to send him some flowers!) hehe...

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Message 22/31 06-Sep-98 @ 01:06 AM - RE: Beringher

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The difference between an old 1604 and a new VLZ is pretty huge. The mic pre's on the original are noisy, and since you can't switch them out it means you've got 6 useless channels if you don't use many mic's (like most of us here).

Most electronic musicians can get away w/ cheap line mixers, as things like pre's, parametric eq, and heavy routing options aren't really necessary (though nice if you've got them). In addition, line mixers tend to have rotary pots instead of faders, which are actually cool for long techno fade-in's (that's the way vestax dj mixers are often altered by house guys).

I've owned an original 1604 as well as several better boards, but now use a $200 Roland M240, w/ 24 mono channels, 4 stereo aux inputs, and 4 aux outs (1 pre/post switchable). It only has 2 mic pre's (my "distortion" channels ;) and short-throw faders, but it's extremely quiet (moreso than the mackie was) and is compact for what it is (about the size of 2 1202's).

Think about this, buggo (and anybody else who doesn't understand the concept of professional boards): real professional studios that use the 60-input ssl's are tracking for film, not the pathetically low-budget music community, which means they deal regularly w/ 30-100 piece orchestras and require high-end automation systems and excellent routing and grouping facilities. Many high-end producers are returning to using smaller boards, but even 24 channels can be limiting if there's a live drummer/percussionist.

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Message 23/31 06-Sep-98 @ 07:15 PM - RE: Beringher

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so what does people think about the new price drops with the yamaha digital series, cheaper original o1's, and the new o1 job with more channels etc... plus the new lower prices on the 02d........ after all, you can control 'em from cake & vst right?...... seems an iteresting way to add in automation outboard from your sequencer..... i heard the 01 a while back in a real-world environment... unfortunately, the programme material was truly crap electric-rock sorta shite... bloody terrible it was, but.... the dynamic range was bloody impressive i have to say... stuff just leapt out of the speakers.... although i personally like hands on twiddling, could be an itersting one i think the 01's are down to about 800 in the uk now.... could mean s/h units as low as 500-600 in a while maybe?... could be an interesting addition to a standard mixer mebbe?..... and as a remix facility tool, 2 linked 01's running that IQS automation s/w they do would make a VERY cheap 32 channel automation for a studio.... just add a cheap pc to control it... any thoughts?...

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Message 24/31 06-Sep-98 @ 09:14 PM - RE: Beringher

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I'm gonna get the DSP 2416 soundcard thingy and then put it through a 01V. Pherhaps - just for fun. I'll have a proper 02R then (kind of).

Anyway - cheap mixing desks means cheap noise most of the time.

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Message 25/31 07-Sep-98 @ 03:05 PM - RE: Beringher

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I just use a mixer to mute stuff and get the levels right cos i never do proffessional recordings just live work and dodgy recordings for my mates to say "that sounds shite"/"that's cool".

when the time comes for me to release something....... money needed basically, then i will look to a better mixer but in the meantime i'll just settle with my cheapy behringer......

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Message 26/31 07-Sep-98 @ 06:53 PM - RE: Beringher

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JAWA, are you saying (with actual experience) that Beringhers mixers are shite?
Which one do you use?
Whats the background noise and the gain noise like?
What I'm looking for more than anything else is a low-noise mixer and thats what they say in the ads!

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Message 27/31 08-Sep-98 @ 01:00 PM - RE: Beringher

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(sigh) read my message again mr. ramjet.......

done that? good...... my recordings are not fantastic sounding admitidly, but that is because i don't have anyother recording method than my old tape recorder that i used to load my speccy games off of..... nothing to do with the mixer..... and no its not noisy as in bzzzzz hmmmm hummmm klickkkkk fgzzzz, there is a small hum, but i think thats my amp and you can't hear when i'm playing in a club...... btw, mine's a 16 channel one....

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Message 28/31 08-Sep-98 @ 04:45 PM - RE: Beringher

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(oi) Yammy digital mixers are fuckin' bomb. Skip the original 01, not only is the new one exceedingly better but the 03d's have gotten insanely cheap 'cause of the 01v.

BTW, 02r's are THE INDUSTRY STANDARD for 5:1 and dvd mixing. That may not mean much to us, but knowing that the biggest studios in the world that can afford any mixers they want STILL choose Yammies says a lot for the series.

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Message 29/31 09-Sep-98 @ 10:47 PM - RE: Beringher

rouge

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have you seen the new (non Mackie rip-off model) 2642A (or something), it looks like a Soundcraft now! Pretty Cool!

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Message 30/31 10-Sep-98 @ 02:02 PM - RE: Beringher

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Ok this is basically it - there are two main makers
of semi-pro (i.e. Mackie, Behringer, Spirit etc.)
mixer components (faders and pots) in the world
Mackie use Panasonic as do Behringer. These are
the components which would be most likely to cause
noise, crackle, hum etc. There is NO REASON that
Behringer should be or are inferior to Mackie.
Even if Behringer used cheaper made PCB's than
Mackie (which they don't) it would make very little difference to the overall sound reproduction.
The things you hear about the US court case being
dropped is nothing as stupid as the Behringers
being so inferior - use your heads! if they had been
that inferior the case would never have made the
courts in the first place. They are to all intents
and purposes (i.e. with respect to the laws of physics
and mathematics) basically identical. Behringer are
having to change their designs now to avoid any further
copyright infringement, for example alot of the mixers
are changing their external design - for example the new
MX8000A and MX9000 Eurodesks. Also all old copyright
infringing stocks are being sold off cheaply (for
example some UK retailers selling original MX8000's
with Meter Bridge for only �1100)

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Message 31/31 12-Sep-98 @ 12:18 PM - RE: Beringher

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Are you a salesman or something ? The above message allmost convinced me to rush out and buy one...

Thanks for the insights... I didn't know that the faders and pots are the main source of the noise and stuff... I don't know shit about electronics, it's all a bit witchcraft to me...

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