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Subject: help me with soft samplers?
Original Message Date: 13-Feb-04 @ 11:53 AM - help me with soft samplers?
Hi
I am looking for the best all round soft sampler (shipped with quality samples). I heard that the MOTU Mach 5 is quality but very buggy as they rushed it out onto the marketplace. Should I be looking at soft samplers like Kontackt, Battery, etc?
Thanking you for your time.
I am looking for the best all round soft sampler (shipped with quality samples). I heard that the MOTU Mach 5 is quality but very buggy as they rushed it out onto the marketplace. Should I be looking at soft samplers like Kontackt, Battery, etc?
Thanking you for your time.
Message 31/37 18-Feb-04 @ 06:09 PM - RE: help me with soft samplers?
no what he's saying is, that while Battery is a fine sample based drum box with good 'comes with' sample library, and with enuff editing for all the usual basic's and plenty of layering it isnt so much a drum SYNTH
there's a difference
there's a difference
Message 32/37 18-Feb-04 @ 06:14 PM - RE: help me with soft samplers?
so... to add-on.... battery will do your drums great, but might not get those little special bits those things that jump out of a mix and make you say - ooo!
thing is, some people DO want to really go deeper, to make unique little sounds and movements which become a basis around which more is built, or to.... oh f8ck it... sound sculpting I guess you'd say.... some people really want to go deep and play.
I'd back Battery to the hilt as probably the best all-round quality does-most-things-people-want-from-drums s/w sample player unit, however, for REAL drum imitations, BFD by FXPansion canes it, and for drum-sample sound mangling and synthesis it's not deep enuff synthesis-wise to satisfy the experienced.
thing is, some people DO want to really go deeper, to make unique little sounds and movements which become a basis around which more is built, or to.... oh f8ck it... sound sculpting I guess you'd say.... some people really want to go deep and play.
I'd back Battery to the hilt as probably the best all-round quality does-most-things-people-want-from-drums s/w sample player unit, however, for REAL drum imitations, BFD by FXPansion canes it, and for drum-sample sound mangling and synthesis it's not deep enuff synthesis-wise to satisfy the experienced.
Message 34/37 19-Feb-04 @ 01:06 AM - RE: help me with soft samplers?
There's one aspect of Battery that has not been discussed - stability. I have extolled the stability virtue of Battery before. Briefly, let me say this: at my last show this past summer, I used my 1.4GHz Toshiba Centrino laptop w/ RME Hammerfall as a drum sample-playback device (overkill... I know, but bear with me).
I configured a Project 5 song with 8 instances of Battery, each receiving on a different MIDI channel driven from my Machinedrum, and another instance for live drums via the Akai MPD-16. Not once, ever, did Battery or P5 flinch or hickup... even with the MD tempo cranked to ~700 BPM.
Also, I should add that I was able to get a few voices out of Battery on an @ss-slow AMD K6 300 laptop with fair latency, and many voices with acceptably low latency on a P3-650 laptop. Therefore, Battery truly is very CPU efficient.
Battery gets high marks in my book for being the stablest PC audio/music software I've ever used.
I configured a Project 5 song with 8 instances of Battery, each receiving on a different MIDI channel driven from my Machinedrum, and another instance for live drums via the Akai MPD-16. Not once, ever, did Battery or P5 flinch or hickup... even with the MD tempo cranked to ~700 BPM.
Also, I should add that I was able to get a few voices out of Battery on an @ss-slow AMD K6 300 laptop with fair latency, and many voices with acceptably low latency on a P3-650 laptop. Therefore, Battery truly is very CPU efficient.
Battery gets high marks in my book for being the stablest PC audio/music software I've ever used.
Message 36/37 19-Feb-04 @ 04:15 PM - RE: help me with soft samplers?
i thought you were talking about kontakt since it would be more representative of ni programming skills.
i do not recall clearly, but i think it's the loop points in kontakt don't respond to lfos, or it's s&h on-key and not constant.
at the above url, you'll find a track called honey.. kinda a big d/l for the example, but at the end of the song, i sampled the last measure and threw it into one of my loopmod samplers.
you'll hear that i basically have an lfo>loop len going on with maybe 1 or 2 other automations.. not a lot; i didn't work it real hard :p
as far as i'm concerned, that's the sort of shit you should be able to get out of any software sampler you pay for. a real shame.
better leave all the 'neat stuff' to aphex then. as long as you can sound a bit techno with puny unmodulated looping, you'll still receive adulation
i do not recall clearly, but i think it's the loop points in kontakt don't respond to lfos, or it's s&h on-key and not constant.
at the above url, you'll find a track called honey.. kinda a big d/l for the example, but at the end of the song, i sampled the last measure and threw it into one of my loopmod samplers.
you'll hear that i basically have an lfo>loop len going on with maybe 1 or 2 other automations.. not a lot; i didn't work it real hard :p
as far as i'm concerned, that's the sort of shit you should be able to get out of any software sampler you pay for. a real shame.
better leave all the 'neat stuff' to aphex then. as long as you can sound a bit techno with puny unmodulated looping, you'll still receive adulation
Message 37/37 20-Feb-04 @ 02:47 PM - RE: help me with soft samplers?
drum addict - hang on a minute. got back in to using se.. i can't make something that will load millions of samples like battery (have to use soundfonts for extensive sample mapping in se atm) but i will make you a sampler that will complement the more basic functions of ie. battery nicely (and be easy to use) so stay tuned for the next few days if you like.
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