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Subject: swing and groove secrets
Original Message Date: 28-Jan-04 @ 05:13 PM - swing and groove secrets
I was reading that classic hip hop tracks keep the drums strictly quantised but swing the bass whereas classic funk tracks swing the drums but have a strictly quantised bass. I'm making (trying) underground house tracks and I reckon having everything strictly quantised is the best groove but this can't be right cos when I cut up all my favourite tracks (of CD, not vinyl), they seem to have some of their snares, percussion, etc that fall on the 2nd and 4th 16th notes (from what I can make out) on 21 and 41 ticks but when I attempt to do it, its sound sloppy and not tight.
Maybe I'm over analysing but surely groove can't just be about velocity and compression? How do you guys swing your tracks, have everything on the same swing setting or maybe slightly swing the main drums by say 6 ticks and swing the hats and shakers by 21 ticks? Do you think that’s the best way of looking at it?
I'm using my ears, I promise!!!
Message 70/80 12-Feb-04 @ 02:39 AM - RE: swing and groove secrets
that doesn't mean i'll abide by those conventions.
and of course i'll never attempt to be a house producer. there are so many
(too many??) good producers that already know what they're doing....that suits me fine. i know where to go when i want to hear it....almost.
but i also know that isn't what really strikes me as adventurous on a day-in day-out basis. there's so much more...
like messed-up non-formulaic stuff be it punk or celtic or african and everyone has their own way of doing things....and in some ways seems much more underground to me. machine music can just be so......routine....especially when it occurs within the
constraints of "a scene".
i also think that excitement can be had by being simply naive to those rules and/or even intentionally breaking the law...because....hey...police....snore.
music police?...bigger snore.
as for being nice......i'm the nicest guy on this whole damned site so screw off manthra ya nerd.
Message 71/80 12-Feb-04 @ 08:23 AM - RE: swing and groove secrets
and that goes for ALL music - if you play doom metal then that too has rules... if you make trance it has rules. or house or garage, hip hop, dancehall etc
BUt it's what one does within those rules which is interesting
Message 72/80 12-Feb-04 @ 09:26 AM - RE: swing and groove secrets
greg
Message 73/80 12-Feb-04 @ 04:18 PM - RE: swing and groove secrets
Message 74/80 12-Feb-04 @ 04:49 PM - RE: swing and groove secrets
Message 75/80 12-Feb-04 @ 04:52 PM - RE: swing and groove secrets
(who thought of that silly name anyway??)
i've heard it in breaks too lately... SUAD did one track like that (remember them?!)
Message 76/80 12-Feb-04 @ 08:23 PM - RE: swing and groove secrets
bloody caps
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Message 77/80 12-Feb-04 @ 08:53 PM - RE: swing and groove secrets
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Message 78/80 13-Feb-04 @ 10:04 AM - RE: swing and groove secrets
greg
Message 79/80 13-Feb-04 @ 12:21 PM - RE: swing and groove secrets
Message 80/80 13-Feb-04 @ 12:53 PM - RE: swing and groove secrets
cool track btw...that bass is sickness...
greg
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