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Original Message 1/21 23-May-00 @ 01:47 PM - MC-202 sync/seq.

boogie_device

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I am thinking about purchasing an MC-202 soon, but I have 2 questions first. Maybe someone can help out.

I would be using my Novation Drumstation�s DIN sync out to sync the 202. I have read that the 202 works best when used as a controller because of lag when being controlled, but does this only apply when using CV/Gate? Apparently, it routes the incoming MIDI clock signal through the CPU or something and it causes a delay? Has anyone experienced this problem? Is the same problem applicable when using DIN sync?

Also, is there any way to store sequences? How bad/good is the sequencer?

Thanks---> scott

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Message 2/21 23-May-00 @ 04:38 PM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

oldskool

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The 202 is a great unit, I find it best when used with its internal sequencer as once mastered can give you some great results, like the TBs can. The lag problem can be minimised by putting the 202 into play mode rather than write mode, its lessens it but not completely. Finally there is a piece of shareware (in JAVA) called 202Hack which allows you to save data onto your pc and convert midifiles to 202 data and vice versa. Hope this helps.

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Message 3/21 23-May-00 @ 07:49 PM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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The 202 hates Drumstations. Novations thinks there doing users favors by putting SYNC24 near the socket, but they're deluding themselves and anyone else. The clock is different, although the 909 is ok. But the 202 hates Novations SYNC24 clock as you'll get way gay results. The timing wil drift like a train reck and you'll say "I'm not havin it" .

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Message 4/21 24-May-00 @ 01:22 AM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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Thanks for the replies. I plan on using the internal sequencer, but I am looking for a way to clock it without the lag problem in my Logic setup. Apparently, as stated above, the Drumstation's SYNC24 is basically worthless? Has anyone tried a Kenton Solo? That would eliminate the internal sequencer though...hmmm...

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Message 5/21 28-May-00 @ 05:55 AM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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The sync timing from my drumstation
is good. I am running a
303,606,909,and two 202's off of the
sync24 output on the drumstation.

I got some drift once, but I think my
seqencing program was phucked,
once I did a clean re-install, the
timing was fine.

I also use the alesis mmt8 for
seqeuncing and it works great (as far
as sync timing through the
drumstation is concerned)

In my experience, the sync 24 out on
the drumstation is great, and works
in my setup.

Oter option is a Philip Rees midi to
sync, but I never used it, so I can't say
anything about it.

909 Inc.

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Message 6/21 29-May-00 @ 07:09 AM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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I use a Philip Rees ,solid timing. Speaking of which ,when I want to switch part during playback ,I switch the thing(TB) off , select a different part , turn back on ,(all this while everythings still running)and then the timing is all bad. Isn't there a better way to jump through different parts?This is the only time it's off timing.

-M-

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Message 7/21 29-May-00 @ 12:01 PM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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All right. So there are two opposite opinions of the Drumstation�s SYNCH24. When my 202 arrives (I bought it), and I get my Drumstation back from the shop, I�ll link the two and see what happens. If the connection is bunk, I�m thinkin� Kenton Pro 4 as other synths must be synched as well. Costs money though�

I checked out that 202 hack. Does anyone know if it will run on Windows �98?

Also, is there an online manual posted anywhere? I looked around and found nothing.

thanks

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Message 8/21 29-May-00 @ 01:54 PM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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Maarten, why are you switching the TB off to select a different part??? No wonder the timing is bad!

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Message 9/21 29-May-00 @ 02:43 PM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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Dude, it's your trax. But I'm telling you the Drumstation clock is totally wack. I've already seen the result, it's bad news. I never tried the MIDI section, as I rarely use MIDI except for the main clock and everything else slaves via SYNC 24. Please don't embarras yourself in a club environment iand attempt to utilize the Drumstation live. Just say I warned you and if they throw you out, due to horrible train recks and highhats stacking on your kicks...

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Message 10/21 29-May-00 @ 03:31 PM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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Please explain to me how you trigger the Drumstation without MIDI and how the bad sync you claim it has affects the timing of your kicks and hats. I think your problem is unrelated to the Sync24 output of the drumstation and more likely a MIDI problem.

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Message 11/21 29-May-00 @ 06:54 PM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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All the drumstation does is take the
midi clock it receives and converts it
into sync 24. Perhaps if you are
running software seq. there are a few
settings that need to be correct in
order for the drumstation to receive
the proper midi signal to convert.

On a side note, if you have a 909
synced via sync24, (in my case) you
have to press the key of the pattern
you want to play before starting the
software sequencer, otherwise the
909 will >continue< from where it
was last stopped and will not appear
to be synced, and it will sound like a
trainwreck.

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Message 12/21 29-May-00 @ 06:55 PM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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Message 13/21 29-May-00 @ 06:59 PM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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Message 14/21 29-May-00 @ 09:09 PM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

cheap bullet proof solution

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try a doepfer midi to sync24 it's about $85 US.

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Message 15/21 29-May-00 @ 10:47 PM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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yeah I have two of them. Rock ass solid. Known about it for years.

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Message 16/21 30-May-00 @ 06:14 AM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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Oldskool , when I try to switch parts ,(note :not patterns) while playing, there is no reaction , it stays in the same part(example part I pattern 1-8 A/B). So I turned it off ,changed the part and turned it back on again. Note I am not a complete fool and I don't do this without feeling hurt. Is it a glitch or what?

-M-

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Message 17/21 30-May-00 @ 04:52 PM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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Maarten, I think I see what you mean, you want to change pattern group (I,II,III,IV) while the TB is running? You are right it will not acknowledge the change, the only way around it is to do it in "Track Mode" rather than pattern mode. peaceout

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Message 18/21 10-Jul-00 @ 12:09 PM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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All right, not that you remember what the hell this thread was about anymore but...

My 202 is here, my drumstation has a new motherboard, and I�m trying to DIN sync them together. It matters little whether the sync sucks or not as I have no other options right now for syncing the 202.

Logic --> Drumstation sync out --> 202 sync in (5 pin cord).

Problem: Without the sync cord plugged in, the 202 plays the programmed sequence fine and the drumstation plays fine. With the cord plugged in, the start LED on the 202 lights up when the Logic sequence is started, the drumstation plays, but I get no sound from the 202.

Question: Is there a necessary setting for the 202 that I am unaware of? I have only a copy of the Japanese manual which I read, but may be missing something. Is there a necessary setting for the Drumstation that I am unaware of? I have read the English manual and found nothing.

Thanks
scott

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Message 19/21 06-Aug-00 @ 08:24 AM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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What you've got to remember when connecting kit via sync24 is that all 5 pins in the cable have to be connected. Most MIDI leads actually only have 3 pins connected so do not appear to work / sync correctly when used.

Another option is to use a Roland MSQ700 hardware sequencer. It can convert between MIDI & sync 24 ove vice versa. I use this method and find it works rock solid.

Does anyone know whether the Korg KMS30 can convert FROM Sync 24 TO MIDI clock ?

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Message 20/21 06-Aug-00 @ 03:48 PM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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yes it can.

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Message 21/21 07-Aug-00 @ 03:19 AM - RE: MC-202 sync/seq.

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Many thanks oldskool

Nice to know.

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