tb-303....Over-hyped?..Please enlighten me

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Original Message Date: 27-Apr-00 @ 08:13 PM - tb-303....Over-hyped?..Please enlighten me

cristina

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Guys I have been looking at different synths and they all seem to have that tb-303 sound and then some. They have effects,tweaking of sounds and arpeggiator functions that make the tb-303 seem a little obsolete to me. Not to mention that pricewise the tb-303 can get a little ridiculous. Mind you I don't own a tb-303 thats why I am posting this question. I am looking hard at a novation nova synth module.
what gives?

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Message 21/75 13-May-00 @ 12:05 PM - RE: tb-303....Over-hyped?..Please enlighten me

pedicelli

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Cocomox,

It's all about MIDI sequencing and MIDI clock. Take this setup for example, it's part of what I have. You have the computer as the MIDI sequencer, Korg ER-1 for drums and JP-8000 as your main synth. You sequence a JP-8000 pattern into the sequencer to MIDI channel 1. Set the Korg ER-1 to MIDI channel 2. Send out MIDI clock from the sequencer to MIDI channel 2. When you press play on the sequencer (Cakewalk, Cubase, or Logic Audio, for example), the JP-8000 pattern and onboard sequencer of the Korg ER-1 will begin to play, all in synch at the appropriate BPM.

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Message 22/75 13-May-00 @ 12:09 PM - RE: tb-303....Over-hyped?..Please enlighten me

ReZo

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Well, if they both have sequencers, which the ER-1 does and the JP sort of does if you count the "RPS" or whatever its called as a sequencer, just take the MIDI "OUT" from whatever you want to be the master, say the ER-1, then run it to the "IN" on the JP-8000. Make sure that you set the ER-1 and the JP to run on thier own internal sequencer. They're usually already set unless you change it yourself. You can do that on the ER by pressing the "Global" button and then press the buttons with the arrows till it lights up "Clock" and use the knob to set it to "int". I'm not sure how to set it up on the JP cause I've never used one before but I'm sure its not too hard. Just hit the play button on the ER-1 and BAM! There you go! It's that simple.

I hope I explained that right. C'mon people...help me make it sound more simple.

Pete

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Message 23/75 13-May-00 @ 01:14 PM - RE: tb-303....Over-hyped?..Please enlighten me

cocomox

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Ok, I think I'm getting it. So in setup 1 (pidicelli), the computer is the master, and in setup 2, the ER-1 is, correct? Does it really matter what your master is? Unless one has better sequencing capabilities?

Thanks for all the help, everyone, and the patience

Is the 777 really an *EXACT* emulation of the 303, or is it just close (like the TeeBee)? I'm really looking into one, just curious if it's as good as they say.

-Nick

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Message 24/75 13-May-00 @ 05:17 PM - RE: tb-303....Over-hyped?..Please enlighten me

pedicelli

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Pete,

Ya made a bit of a mistake. If you have an ER-1 setup and the JP-8000 running off of the RPS, the ER-1 must be set to INTERNAL CLOCK and JP-8000 set to EXTERNAL (being controlled by the JP-8000). Strike a JP-8000 RPS sequence, press play and stop on the ER-1, and the next time you press play on the ER-1, the ER-1 and JP-8000 will play in perfect synch.

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Message 25/75 13-May-00 @ 05:18 PM - RE: tb-303....Over-hyped?..Please enlighten me

pedicelli

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(being controlled by the ER-1)....fucking tabarnak....my bad.

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Message 26/75 14-May-00 @ 12:20 AM - RE: tb-303....Over-hyped?..Please enlighten me

cocomox

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Damn, now I really want some MIDI equipment.

Are there any good drumsmachines out there that have a tabletop setup (like the classics, 606, 808, 909), but won't cost me an arm and a leg?

-Nick

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Message 27/75 14-May-00 @ 09:48 AM - RE: tb-303....Over-hyped?..Please enlighten me

ReZo

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Pedicelli, your right, my bad. Sorry about that.

About the a good table top drum machine...without a doubt, the greatest table top drum machine for the money is the ER-1. You can get 808, 909, and 606 kicks out of it plus it has a 909ish open hat and crash and an 808ish closed hat and clap. It's the greatest drum machine since the x0x's.

Pete

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Message 28/75 14-May-00 @ 10:12 AM - RE: tb-303....Over-hyped?..Please enlighten me

pedicelli

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I have to agree with Pete. The best bang for your buck is the ER-1. Novation Bass Station is good too, but only emulates 909 and 808, is a bit more expensive, and lacks the onboard sequencer like the ER-1 has.

You might also wanna consider new the Korg ES-1. It's like the ER-1, except it's a drum based sampler with the same kind of onboard sequencer, and on top of that it has filters.

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Message 29/75 14-May-00 @ 10:53 AM - RE: tb-303....Over-hyped?..Please enlighten me

cocomox

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Perfect, that's just what I wanted to hear. Thanks

And since I have no pre-MIDI equipment (yet), I have no need for the Drum Station's onboard sync, right?

Can any of these machines do snare rolls? I want to be able to do stuff like on Prodigy's "Smack My Bitch Up," there's a roll right before the first time the major loop starts. Anyone know what I'm talking about? I think it was tweaked out a bit, but still a roll.

-Nick

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Message 30/75 14-May-00 @ 12:20 PM - RE: tb-303....Over-hyped?..Please enlighten me

ReZo

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Yeah, you can do snare rolls on the ER-1 but I must tell you that the snares on the ER-1 arn't that great. I think thats the only thing that the ER lacks. I mean, you can get some ok snares that are very 808ish but its hard to get a good 909 type snare out of it. It sounds like you want some Drum & Bass type snares...well there are some pretty good Drum & Bass presets that you can use the snares from. There are some useful ones but it's still very limited when it comes to snares.

Pete

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