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Original Message 1/31 05-Sep-00 @ 09:06 AM - New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

Phill

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New versions of OS for SNVII KBD, Rack & NovaII KBD's is online in the Downloads section of the Novation site.

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Be sure to download the correct version for the unit you have!!!
I.E. Do not expect the NovaII KBD version to work in the Supernova Rack!!!!

NOTE:

These are only for the models listed SNVII KBD, Rack & NovaII KBD's, they will not work in older units.

WHAT IT DOES:

Serious improvement to the Phaser effect.

Serious improvement to the Ensemble effect.

Serious improvement to the Rotary Speaker effect.

New sound set that makes use of the new features.

Sorry this upgrade does not fix the Local Off/Arp bug. we will post a fix for this soon.

For instructions on what to do look in the troubleshooting part of your Manual and follow the instructions in "Upgrading the OS"

Any problems with these files let me know

Cheers,

Phill Macdonald

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Message 2/31 05-Sep-00 @ 09:49 AM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

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hmmm, that's funny, I could have sworn thousands ORIGINAL Supernova and Nova users where awaiting an OS upgrade long before these new boxes.

Can we at least have a solid date?

((((((

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Message 3/31 05-Sep-00 @ 09:49 AM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

tetsuo2

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WHAT IS THIS?? what about us who have been waiting FOREVER for the nova new OS??

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Message 4/31 05-Sep-00 @ 09:50 AM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

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ya, six months from now, the SN III will be out, lol, and II users will forever be awaiting essential OS fixes.

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Message 5/31 05-Sep-00 @ 12:33 PM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

bster2000

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this is a pisstake,right?

an original supernova owner
remember US Novation?

(i say novation as i respect the effort that phill has given us on this site.)

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Message 6/31 05-Sep-00 @ 02:48 PM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

Phill

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As I have said many times before...

New features (Where possible) will be ported to older systems.

Sorry for the delay...

Phill

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Message 7/31 05-Sep-00 @ 02:49 PM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

Phill

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As I have said many times before...

New features (Where possible) will be ported to older systems.

Sorry for the delay...

Phill

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Message 8/31 05-Sep-00 @ 07:18 PM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

batcrack

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how about a 3.1 without the B? I mean, no improvements or fixes or anything, just a slight change to 3.1-- so we can at least fool ourselves into thinking we've got a solid release.

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Message 9/31 05-Sep-00 @ 10:59 PM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

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Yo Novation,
Are you guys on crack or what!!!
Wheres the update for the older synths?
And what is this shit about...
'As I have said many times before...'?

Phil, your credibility isn't that great for you to try to pull that shit on us!
You have also said many times we would get our updated OS "SOON"!
As a Novation customer,
I DEMAND an explanation.
What is the official word on our OS?
If I don't get an answer here, I'll take it up with NovationUK, I work from home so I have all day to get on the phone and get an answer!If that doesn't work...
I've been trying to be patient, but this is ridiculous!
RR

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Message 10/31 06-Sep-00 @ 12:09 AM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

Joe

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Hmmmmmmm,

I think this is a bit over the top.

If Novation didn't release new products
in what is a very competetive market they wouldn't survive and there would be no more OS updates.
Besides aside from implementing the special buttons I believe the nova/supernova are complete. Th new OS will come soon I am sure, in the mean time I am still getting more and more out of the Nova by experimenting rather than waiting for the OS to do it,

Peace.......Joe

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Message 11/31 06-Sep-00 @ 06:14 AM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

jon.s

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gawd, i feel sorry for you original sn owners. i have already been caught once with akai when i bought the s5000 on release date. big mistake and lost loads of money as a consequence of the massive price drops.

anyway, the "local off/arp bug" in my sn2 is as i said a fundamental problem and hope this can be addressed very soon as the sn2 is my master keybaord and i simply cannot do what i want whilst this bug exists.

i don't care for the new os until i have the main problem fixed.

anyway, i'm new to novation and will hold my breath before making damning comments. but be prepared, raaarr.

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Message 12/31 06-Sep-00 @ 12:47 PM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

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well dont feel sorry for me mate - i'm not one of these wankers sitting in a bedroom pretending i'm a techno star and waiting around for OS updates that i dont need so i can FINALLY 'make it'- what a load of old toffee - this subject has been done to death.

tell us what it is the OS update will allow you to acheive what you CANNOT acheive now ??... do tell, i'm fascinated... but i know you cant tell me that cos if you'd thought about it for even a second you would not have posted as you did.

i'll go further in fact... if you CANNOT make decent music with a Nova series synth 'as is'... GIVE UP !!! -

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Message 13/31 06-Sep-00 @ 02:38 PM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

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I think that what they expect is that one of the special buttons will have a function that will be called "Make Number 1 Hit" so that they can spend more time p*ssing all over the manufacturers - it seems they don't have enough time to do it now.

Really, I understand if there are bugs and whatnot. However, there doesn't need to be that kind of tone. Yes, you're not happy but throwing insults will not get you any further ahead than you are now.

It's a good thing that Phill has a thick skin. If you are truly unhappy and this synth can't help you make music, then sell it and buy something that you think will. Aside from that, you can be frank and honest without hurling the insults.

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Message 14/31 06-Sep-00 @ 03:26 PM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

Phill

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Cool one K...

Glad someone said it...

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Message 15/31 06-Sep-00 @ 03:47 PM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

Phill

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Hey...Special waves...

Please tell me what "Special waves" you think would be good...

I would really be interested...

My Jupiter is a great analogue synth and has only the basics...but then its an ANALOGUE SYNTH...but then, is not the SN a VA synth?

When you look at other VA synths that have "Lots" of olaternative waves...maybe you should have a look at how many Factory progs actually use em...2-5%?

Really useful huh?

I'm not saying we are not going to implement em, I'm just saying...

What do you think would be (Most importantly) REALLY USEFUL???

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Message 16/31 06-Sep-00 @ 04:32 PM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

Rude Bwoy

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Well just to play Devil's Advocate, the wavetable stuff in the Waldorf Q is being well received.

I do agree that the Nova is pretty much finished though and these people should get on with making some music instead of moaning. They're just looking for something to blame for their own lack of talent or productivity. If it's that 'bad' maybe they should sell it and let some other musician make use of it.

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Message 17/31 06-Sep-00 @ 07:29 PM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

mikedlc

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I will now bow my head because I'm about to play the role of a sidebuster.
Phill has made a larger contribution to
well being of all Novation Chat participants than any individual to date. We are more than lucky to have someone in our presence that knows the straight dope.... factory style! They sell punching bags at any K-mart or sporting goods store, and I guarantee that no matter how much they are abused, they will never get excessively offended and do something like cease their visitations and valuable input in our chat room. By the way, I am busting super fat shit without the use of any special waveforms. My sounds still come sick without all the promises that the sales brochures proposed. I am content knowing that I got my money's worth on
this bad ass synth. Phill - you're top notch and I hope to keep hearing from you. YOU %#$@%$!!!YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL MY UNHAPPINESS, YOU, YES YOU MADE THE PROMISES THAT NOVATION HAS HELPED YOU TO BREAK AND NOW YOU MUST PAY $@%#%^@^#$. Just Kidding

Respectfully,
Michael

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Message 18/31 07-Sep-00 @ 06:12 AM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

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well k, it appears i've walked into a bit of a storm here. ok, i retract my statement of feeling sorry and would like to point out exactly what my view is having now looked back through old posts (i'm new here don't forget).

i've bought my snII and am completely and utterly happy with it....except it needs a bug fix. it's a real bug as phil has kindly confirmed and i'm sure is being worked on.

let me make it clear though, when this bug is fixed i will NOT demand or expect any future os upgrades unless there are any further bugs uncovered. i bought the machine for the features it has now not what it might have in the future.

i don't understand this current trend in the last few years of raging people demanding os upgrades. it never happened in the past because it simply wasn't that achievable. no machine is futureproof and it's a fact of life that support will eventually stop and focus will start on newer models.

...................but i still need my bug fixed!

seeya

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Message 19/31 07-Sep-00 @ 10:26 AM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

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true, i fcan see (and it is 100% justified) a person gets mad if the hardware is released with a bad error or really with missing features that prevent it from utilising it's current functions... but there is definately something to be said about this trend you point out - alot of our techno 'hero's' started out and made siminal albums with synths like the korg monopoly - so upgrades available there... no 'special' waves etc - London underground has built & established an entire genre of garage based on old FM & analog mono's & a smapler - simple stuff... we aspire to produce work alongside these people yet some users would never consider even starting out with a sdampler & a sh101 or a sampler & a monopoly, or polysix etc etc... man fuck, i got my first deal & record out using a 1/4" Fostex two track, a bass guitar & delay unit, a mixer & a drumbox !!! -

kids today eh !!.. cor... when i was a lad there was 149 of us living in cardboard box in t'middle o' road !!.... every morning we used to get up and hour before we went to bed, lick road clean wi' tongue, go t' work in t' mill, 27 hours perday, AND pay mill owner fer permission t' come t' work.... etc etc

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Message 20/31 07-Sep-00 @ 05:16 PM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

Asssbadit...

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every morning we used to get up and hour before we went to bed, lick road clean wi' tongue, go t' work in t' mill, 27
hours perday, AND pay mill owner fer permission t' come t' work.....

Nope I bet t wos worse than tha for me..

Jokes...

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Message 21/31 07-Sep-00 @ 06:04 PM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

spank-spank

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They didn't keep doing OS updates on old synths because the market was much smaller and companies could not afford to release a product which was unfinished or had a buggy OS. If they did do it they normally folded up pretty soon after, maybe Novation should take note.
I think its pretty poor when companies can use customers as unpaid beta testers and bug finders, and its not just Novation either, look at Akai with the s6000, what a crock of shit! Or the numerous software companies who will "fix it in the next update" Fuck it man, if more people refused to put up with this shit then companies couldn't do it.
The Nova is not a bad synth, Novation is not a bad company, I am not a whingeing over-reacting cunt, but the fact remains that no other synth in my studio displays "Not Available" in the display when I press a button.
Seems that a lot of people are talking about Novation and most of them are unhappy, I wonder if the new products will be as successful.

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Message 22/31 08-Sep-00 @ 03:42 AM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

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i wonder if the same amount of people would have bought the nova had the "blank" button not been placed on it?

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Message 23/31 08-Sep-00 @ 03:42 AM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

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i wonder if the same amount of people would have bought the nova had the "blank" button not been placed on it?

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Message 24/31 08-Sep-00 @ 05:20 AM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

plasticandi

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i am totally with k and phill;
it has been said a million times:
the nova is NOT an unfinished product, it is just kind of upgradeable.
do you people complain when a sampler has an almost empty rear pannel before expanding?
i�m really happy that phill is baqck to the forum.

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Message 25/31 08-Sep-00 @ 07:47 AM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

jon.s

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i love my snII now and 4ever, even though she has fleas. need some flea killer then its true love. i've told her she doesn't need implants or surgery, i love her the way she is.

straaaangee.....

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Message 26/31 08-Sep-00 @ 04:10 PM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

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I think that the SNV can pretty much produce just about any kind of analog waveform you would want from just its saw and square, However one thing that I have noticed is that the raw waves from different synthesizers have different timbres. For example, there is a juno 60 emulation in reaktor/generator that I think sounds just amazing, but I can't seem to get that sound on my SNV. I finally traced it back to the fact that the raw waves just didnt sound the same. So I think it would be cool If some of the special waves were variatons on the standard waves. Like maybe four different variations on the saw ranging from least "analog" (and most like a true saw) to most "analog" sounding (emulating an overabundance of capacitors, resistors, etc...) I would also like to see the feature that lets the oscillators "drift" a little (and act more like vco's) be ported to SNV1. Oh yeah and the ability to make the lfos track the keyboard (for playable FM stuff) would be very nice. Anyway just an idea.

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Message 27/31 09-Sep-00 @ 02:18 AM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

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Let me just say that i still think the Nova/Supernova synths are great units very capable of making some slamming stuff. Tonight. So I agree that some of you really do need to start writing tracks. Start making your module earn it's keep. It's great f*cking kit! Although I really would enjoy audio inputs that don't require a note trigger to operate, but nevertheless this synth kicks ass as is...

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Message 28/31 09-Sep-00 @ 05:31 AM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

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i think it's just about attitude... like why are people doing it?, why did they buy the gear etc?... as for an actual error in the os, nova and most other companies are pretty quick to respond, but when spanky comes in with that stuff, it just mis represents it i think cos he still is suggesting that the Un-used slots/buttons on the nova panel means it is unfinished

it's been pointed out already, Novation could have just added extra functions by adding any extra menu items inside the lcd sceen lists assigned already to a button - They added a few extra buttons just in case if they decided to upgrade, and then they COULD allocate the new function INSTEAD to it's own dedicated button, RATHER than adding it to any current menu - that is all the buttons are about... see spanky, perhaps you are expecting something from the supernova that you cant verbalise or really imagine but just you think perhaps with the special function button mebbe allowing a bunch of new wave shapes?.. but if you know wave shapes and own synths WITH thousands of wave shapes, then you know really it isnt suddenly going to get you a massive completely different type of sounds when you have already a pallette PLUS all the various wave mangling capabilities (we are talking about a synth that will do both old analog impressions AND perfect harmonics-filled lush electric piano type & FM style sounds) ... perhaps you CAN define what you want to hear, and thought when buying nova that in the future it would 'expand' to become like other types of synths?... i'm not sure, but mebbe what you really need is other items that do other things to get balance in your system -

the nova's (original series) were and are just what they were supposed to be (remember what the commonly available poly count was when they first came out on analog modelling synths, Nord_4, prophecy_1 etc etc !!!) - they are modelling synths that allow you to copy and reproduce pretty much any type of old style analog sound plus more, with the same ease and ability to edit as a real analog, but with FULL midi control, BIG poly , and fx on each multipart - it was a MASSIVE breakthrough, and still is... so that is what the Nova's ARE... and in every way they fullfil that except in that like all the modellers, they dont 100% sound like a real analog, although they are very close on some types of sounds... So they are never going to sounds 100% EXACTLY like old synth/s, cos also amongst themselves, old synths each have their own sound ... BUT it'll get you the full pallette - if you added more filter shapes say and a few more waves, it still wouldnt change the sounds you could get that much, 'Nova series' does what it says on the tin, and it does it fine for anyone who bought it cos they wanted multi-channel polyphonic quality analog modelling with full midi control

if you had those actual old synths, then they are each limited too, they pretty much have their 'thing' they do, and that is it

as for older synths selling less, i dunno about that -

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Message 29/31 09-Sep-00 @ 07:02 PM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

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Kilo, valid points man, I don't expect the Nova to be an all singing all dancing box, but can you really tell me that having the button on the front panel was "just in case" I mean all I would expect extra by way of the filter special button is say a notch filter, and allowing the filter to be used without having to trigger a note (as has been requested inumerable times).To be fair to Novation the Osc section filter button is operational but it would be nice to have say a shephard generator or something a bit out of the ordinary.

As I have said b4, when I got the Nova (which I do like by the way) I expected it to be able to to much more than my MKS70 which really it can't. I know its meant to be an analog emulation synth but with all the dsp technology I thought it would be like a modern spin on analog rather than just a facsimilie.

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Message 30/31 11-Sep-00 @ 04:46 AM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

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I think the SNV can certainly do JUNO type sounds...A021 (U-no Polysynth) is a direct copy of a sound in my JUNO 106 and I think it is very very close...

Yeah there is a slight difference in waves though between differing types of analogue synths...

I think the filter plays a large roll as well though.

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Message 31/31 11-Sep-00 @ 09:58 AM - RE: New OS for Supernova II & Nova II Series

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I think the filter is THE biggest aspect to analog sound, depending on how much it's used. I love the sweet, silkiness of the Nova's filter, but I'd love a fat, snorting, gritty Moog-like filter option as well. Maybe I should get a Moog... In the meantime, running my Nova through my K2500's live inputs for stacked filters sounds pretty good...

psylichon

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