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Subject: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
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Original Message 1/35 06-Oct-00 @ 11:38 PM - Supernova 1.. Remember me?
My mother has abandoned me.. She has this new baby now, called Supernova2.. Yes, in some ways my younger brother is just like me, it has the same charm and good looks but has a lot more going for it than I ever did.. I even have a lot of cousins now who think they are a bit special to..
I admit I feel jealous of all the attention laden on my younger brother and all the lovely OS updates it gets.. All I ask is that mother Novation can still acknowledge I exist! And please do something about my bloody 'special' buttons.. I would love to have some extra waveforms and filters just like my mother promised me all those years ago before she abandoned me.. You see mother, if you feel upset by my plea then you shouldn't have made me with such an individual personality should you? Please remember I have a soul....
Your ever loving son,
Supernova
Message 3/35 08-Oct-00 @ 08:46 AM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Great thread my friend
Matty
Message 4/35 08-Oct-00 @ 08:02 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Message 5/35 09-Oct-00 @ 12:12 AM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Come on i'm british just like you Novation. This blue box definately holds it's own for sound design but it could do a lot more.
The manual says 8 filters and 8 oscillators, now if they don't use these buttons they might as well have made the Supernova smaller, the manual less pages i.e excluding the part about the special buttons, and charged the asking price of the Nova.
Now if anyone slaggs me off for writing this e-mail then i think your an unimaginative no balls muppet, and you make yourself look a fool by replying in a defensive way . See i think you've got to forget the analogue jargon and just speak the honest truth.
enough said from this thread
Mat
Message 6/35 09-Oct-00 @ 06:46 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
"...and the Special button selects new waveforms to be released with future s/w upgrades"
now conversely one might suggest, (using the exact same logic YOU use to slag Novation), that you are just to impatient and demanding of things NOW that have no promised supply date??
Not being funny, but you sound like a divorced wife bitching cos the PC the father promised the kid sometime this year didnt arrive yet... Now 'pops' never promised WHEN he'd get little Tommy's new PC, just that he'd get it sometime this year... but you know what ex-wives are like eh ?? :P ...
All i can 100% say is that having a divorced wife does wonders for improving ones patience & reasonableness.
the key point you've overlooked, (and which Novation in retrospect are perhaps regretting), is adding this 'Special' button in the first place - as explained to the max already, they added a button so that when they added an update in the future they could stack the menu on that dedicated button rather than just adding a special osc' or filter to one of the already existing menu's... Novation perhaps realise now that was a mistake cos a percentage of users would see the 'Special' button and conclude that cos there is an un-functioning button present it means therefore a part of the synth is 'missing'....
sure, we all agree the next OS update is taking along time, but hell we already got 4 extra notes of POLY in the first update !! (which no-one seems to think is worth a toss it seems) .... at some point soon another OS upgrade will come, but if you are stressed by this, it all depends on how you view the whole scenario... see it like you do, and sure you are frustrated...... see it more reasonably in perspective with the facts, and not. -
Message 7/35 09-Oct-00 @ 10:33 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Message 8/35 09-Oct-00 @ 11:00 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Message 9/35 09-Oct-00 @ 11:52 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Mat I agree with you about speaking out on this topic, but as you can see its practically useless to do so. Even other Novation owners don't seem to care.
And thats the problem, if there wasn't a large percentage of people who tolerated this ,maybe things would change. But they all seem to think its ok to wait for over a year!
Or maybe the problem is Novation didn't know what it what was getting into by releasing an 'upgradeable' machine. People expect upgrades, and often. Thanks to the computer and software industry were used to frequent upgrades, and sometimes we're glad to pay for them. Novation should have realized this and made it more clear in the marketing of this product that the upgrades would be years apart, rathern than months apart.
The Virus, which I'll be getting soon,
is on version 4 with 24 voices. Thats twice as much as Nova. And for the same price. Think about that, Novation.
k, As much as I hear you defending Novation, I just have to ask ,would it be because you have friends at Novation, or did you get your Snova for free?
You seem to think they can do no wrong?
well for someone who paid a lot of money for mine, I feel I have the right to speak up.
And if more of you grew a spine and complained about the'delay', maybe we'd see the end of these threads, and a new OS that kicks ass(or don't you want new features).
Uh oh gotta go change the diapers on my baby Nova , mothers too busy with the new baby!
Message 10/35 10-Oct-00 @ 01:08 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Anyway, I think that Nova1 can still compete with Virus b 4.0 and Waldorf Q-rack; compare sounds, arpeggiators, effects and vocoder capabilities, and beauty !
Message 11/35 10-Oct-00 @ 02:53 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Message 12/35 10-Oct-00 @ 08:32 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
For me, Im very happy with the SN OS now... its stable as can be, it sounds great (although some of the FX are bollox, but its not an eventide) and I use it in everything I do. Its just that, for me, my SN could be so much cooler with say, i dunno, a different OSC waveform, or a cool filter (god damn i would shit myself for a bitrate/samplerate reduction filter) The SN is a superpowerful synth to begin with, but with some of those special buttons actually put to use, it could still be way above the rest of the pack...
Message 13/35 11-Oct-00 @ 10:59 AM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Hope this thread is making them people at novation work that bit harder to finding quicker ways of implementing the new features that we ARE getting in our DELAYED OS upgrade.
Honestly though Phill, when IS IT expected??? Or are you not sure.
Thanks in advance
Matty
Message 14/35 11-Oct-00 @ 02:35 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Some feautures that are available on the new models (unison, knob relative modes (?), enhanced effect section) could be ported right now; but the special buttons are still not availabile on those new units(?). Hence, we can't expect to see new waveforms/filters on our older units until a new release for the S/Novae 2 will be available (some months to come?)
Some information to enlight us, please
Message 15/35 11-Oct-00 @ 10:39 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Message 17/35 12-Oct-00 @ 12:17 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Message 18/35 12-Oct-00 @ 08:42 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
K hasn't been 'bought' by Novation, he's just got his head screwed on and knows what the main objective is with owning this sort of kit. It's for making music. The 'special button' won't make an atom of difference to your ability to make music with it. It's like complaining about the empty drive bays in your computer box.
Message 19/35 13-Oct-00 @ 12:02 AM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Message 20/35 13-Oct-00 @ 11:47 AM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Message 21/35 13-Oct-00 @ 11:56 AM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Remember... This was just an example. Donīt go off demanding things like this from your local car dealer.
Message 22/35 13-Oct-00 @ 02:34 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Now YOU listen dunno.... shut up about shit you know nothing about or put up.
Message 23/35 13-Oct-00 @ 09:28 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
I personally applaud everyone who has sussed out Novation for what they are. A two bob company. I dont care what difference the new OS makes it is the fact that Novation have treated old customers like shit!
Even Novations web page is a disgrace.
Just try going to the TELL US WHAT YOU THINK section and you will be presented with an under construction sign (is the penny dropping yet?).
The sound tutorials are brilliant but STILL incomplete.
I conclude that Novation will never do a Nova/Sn update.
They wont even give a due date (make any excuses you want but a proper professional company should commit to a date and get it sorted.)
FACT there are still bugs with the Nova.
If this thread is becoming boring DONT reply and go away being happy with Novation.
I have a mind of my own and applaud like minded music makers!
Message 24/35 14-Oct-00 @ 12:15 AM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
I'll better to make some cool music...
Cya...
Bwahahahahahaha...
Message 25/35 14-Oct-00 @ 06:16 AM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
i just own a supernova, it wasnt free and i dont work for novation, and i realise the button doesnt work, but thats not why i bought it, i bought it cos at the time it was the only decent affordable multi modeller with massive poly (remember at the time, nord 4 part, the prophecy 1 part, JP 2 part, etc etc)... and after a few years almost it still holds it's own with ease against the competition.... sure, we supported Novation as much as possible in their early days & still do just like ALL the others, from quasimidi to waldorf cos they were a small handfull of companies trying to get synths we wanted into our hands.... if they all dissapear and are driven under we are bnack in the sole clutches of the big 3 and that is that...quasimidi have gone bust already or whatever, so what can i say... we want to see some choice and small companies are the only ones who are going to want to listen to you... which is why they came out with this stuff in the first place, the big comapnies just followed....
i can see you are pissed off, and it is true 13 months is a looooong time... but i cant seem to feel that way about it you do.
Message 26/35 15-Oct-00 @ 03:04 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Message 27/35 15-Oct-00 @ 05:21 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
i do understand what you say about the target audience/consumers, but at the same time i still think we need the choices cos in all area's where competition dissolves in theis capitalist world instant atrophy occurs and choices go right down the pan and the majors resort back to lowest common denominator products. all i'm saying is what synth would you buy instead to replace the nova and would it really be worth it just over this missing button ? - would the new item be any 'better' ??
Message 28/35 15-Oct-00 @ 11:26 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
It would be a product that I loved from a company who cared about its customers..
Message 29/35 16-Oct-00 @ 01:52 AM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
anyways... is there some of your music up on the www anywhere?.. i'd be interested to hear what you are doing.
also i just realised one thing - Phil/Novation WAS always at the forum and NOT distant till this all blew up... they apologised but it wasn't enuff i guess... ah... remember those days when we used to chat with him about stuff & ask him to put this and that into the new machines etc... then they made a machine with all the new things you asked and they got flamed cos they decided to leave the button for a while.... c'est la vie
Message 30/35 16-Oct-00 @ 10:25 AM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
As for my music, I have just started work on my Homepage and will have some up shortly.. Going to send some stuff to peoplesound.com. I can email a track if you like. If you have any back copies of the Mix magazine I have had a couple of tracks on their CD as well. Old stuff that was though, pre supernova. I'd like to hear some of your stuff K as well?
Message 31/35 16-Oct-00 @ 06:55 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Message 32/35 30-Oct-00 @ 05:13 AM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Virus it is.
Message 33/35 30-Oct-00 @ 06:57 AM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
Have any of you whingers ever thought that the delays are because they are trying to squeeze as much as possible out of the machine, so when you do finally get an update, it will have been well worth the wait!?
One last thing, i just gotta say how much it amuses me every time i see a personal attack or a damming attack on Novation, the person almost always ommit their real email address. And you guys call us spineless ...lol
Keep up the good work Novation , ignore these `children` for they know not what they say
Finity
Message 34/35 30-Oct-00 @ 08:41 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
chertzy has a point, from the standpoint of one who doesnt actually have a nova or supernova, how would it look to you? I mean, if you didnt have one and read how long we've been waiting for an update that was said to be released over a year ago, what kind of impression would that give you of the company? What makes you think the SN2 won't suffer the same fate?
Message 35/35 31-Oct-00 @ 03:29 PM - RE: Supernova 1.. Remember it?
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