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Original Message                 Date: 29-Oct-00  @  12:27 AM   -   To self - Oscillate.. newbie question

metaphy99

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Every couple of weeks I see someone use the terminology self-oscillation. What is self-oscillation? Why do people speak of it like it's real special, is this something I should want to do? Does Waldorf , Nord, and Nova do it? Does the Virus B do it????

Evar




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Message 31/75             09-Nov-00  @  06:38 AM   -   RE: To self - Oscillate..

H

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you need a bypass switch on that echo!

-;) i think 4 is a new record.succka succka succka succka. sucka only has 1 c you managed 8.



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Message 32/75             09-Nov-00  @  11:16 AM   -   RE: To self - Oscillate..

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well trypt, go on the music-dsp mailing list and ask what those programmers (most inventers all these digital synths we talk about everyday are there) what they define as self-oscillation. and u will see who is an ignorant fool.



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Message 33/75             09-Nov-00  @  05:16 PM   -   RE: To self - Oscillate..

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whoops i was trypting. that was my message to trypt.



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Message 34/75             09-Nov-00  @  07:24 PM   -   RE: To self - Oscillate..

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its true, you have to have some signal going through the filter for it to oscilate... but the thing is all analog components have atleast a tiniy bit of noise going through, and thats all it needs to oscilate... so, unless your va always sends some info through the filter, it probobly isnt realy 'self' oscilating.



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Message 35/75             09-Nov-00  @  07:27 PM   -   RE: To self - Oscillate..

Pongoid

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You all are self-oscillating too much here. You're gonna get your keyboards sticky. Grow up. Make beats. Make people dance to your grooves. Don't be dummies.


Ape



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Message 36/75             09-Nov-00  @  08:32 PM   -   RE: To self - Oscillate..

trypt

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Aplogies all around in advance for
this and any future posts doubling(or
quadrupling), I'm gonna write K and
see if it's cause I have a mac or
whatnot.

Music-DSP mailing list? Theres your
problem. Digital goon. Self
oscillation (key word "self"), means
that when all oscillator volumes are
off, the filter alone can produce a
sine wave. The JP can't do that. The
virus can't do that. The nord can
kinda pretend to but not really.
Anyway, shut up and get a real synth,
ditch your "DSP" list for an analog
list, then come back and talk child.
As H said above, an example of self
oscillation is the deep kicks you can
get from say a 101 or 202, using
nothing but a self-oscillating filter
and an envelope. Anyone that has
both analog and VA can tell you that a
VA trying to do that next to an analog
is downright silly. Back me up H.

Now go buy a 101, they're cheap, and
their educational value for
digi-people is incredible.

Peace



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Message 37/75             10-Nov-00  @  01:03 AM   -   RE: To self - Oscillate..

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Blah blah blah, you obviously don't know what you are talking about trashing something like DSP like that. if you have the slightest idea what it's all about, u'd be embarassed even to think about typing those words.

nothingnowhere, well, try a filter module of a moog modular. you don't have to connect it to anything at all. no signal in, no noise. but it will still self oscillate.

the nord modular filter module was programmed to do the exact same thing here too.



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Message 38/75             10-Nov-00  @  01:45 AM   -   RE: To self - Oscillate..

trypt

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Digital synths are wonderful and
have their place, and I'd be at a loss
without them or analogs. I was
simply correcting your mistake. You
explain how you think a VA like a
virus self oscillates and I'll kiss your
mother.

P.S Moog filter modules, as with
nearly all moog modules, have a
barely to non-audible hum that
creeps it's way into the signal path.
In fact, nearly all old modulars
do.This is how moog filters self
oscillate with nothing attached. And
stop getting so fucking defensive.
This was an intelligent conversation
untill you went and called me
"ignorant" for knowing more than you
do.......



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Message 39/75             10-Nov-00  @  01:07 PM   -   RE: To self - Oscillate..

Pongoid

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When the filter reaches self oscillation, it produces a sine wave. When the output is viewed on an oscilliscope, is closely resembles the path that your hand follows over time while wanking over this topic.

Hum is bad, but yes normal. That's what noise gates are for.

Make beats.


Ape



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Message 40/75             10-Nov-00  @  03:30 PM   -   RE: To self - Oscillate..

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If you think DSP can't make a good kick, you should sell all your gear and become a goat-herder. Ever heard of a drumstation?

DSP synths can self-oscillate (The Supernova can for sure).

Like Ape says, it's a pointless act to wank over the definition of the term. Make music.

-Craig



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