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Subject: automation problem
Original Message 1/16 06-Dec-01 @ 04:20 PM - automation problem
I am using logic 4.81 and mac os 9.2.2
oh and btw, automating works just fine on the autoload, so obviously something is amiss in just that song...
Message 2/16 06-Dec-01 @ 04:46 PM - RE: automation problem
Message 3/16 07-Dec-01 @ 11:49 AM - RE: automation problem
Message 4/16 03-Jan-02 @ 11:23 AM - RE: automation problem
Message 5/16 04-Jan-02 @ 11:02 AM - RE: automation problem
i look at a piece of s/w like logic, right? and it's all big, right? and powerful, like bull, right? and you'd expect..
but it's like, if i go into my nord lead environment and tick one of the fader icons to make it available in the arrange window, then i like go into the arrange window.. don't you think there's gotsta be some kind of way to go into hyperdraw on that track, for that fader value, w/o the labourious assign-param-# process? i mean like in the environment the fader # is already set up, right, but auto-assign won't go from the fader cc#, only from midi data on that track, which sours my appetite.
and i'm getting the feeling it *can* be done, but it's a big secret. i'm talking cute here and everything.
look it's not every day you get to laugh at someone this smart!
Message 6/16 04-Jan-02 @ 03:54 PM - RE: automation problem
no, i can't be bothered.
the other way is to do everything with hyperdraw from the start. bollox.
auto assign? what's auto define? r we talking about the same pain in the arse?
Message 7/16 09-Jan-02 @ 12:09 PM - RE: automation problem
If you want to set the track faders and work with the hyperdraw/MIDI values, all you need to do is go to your environment, select the track you wish to automate and in the Audio Object properties panel change the 'Val as' setting from 'dB' to 'Num'. The Audio track fader will now display the Hyperdraw/MIDI values instead of dB.
Steve :=)
Message 8/16 09-Jan-02 @ 02:44 PM - RE: automation problem
Message 9/16 09-Jan-02 @ 02:58 PM - RE: automation problem
(which would be the fader etc right!)
sadly my logic' test version has screwed up and wont run right now, cannot see why, so I cant do any more tests on it right now until they sort it out & it's bloody irritating. cannot for the life of me see what is wrong, re-installing doesnt do it no matter what is done to strip out the old version. I think it's something to do with FM7 possibly cos it started when that was installed.
Message 10/16 09-Jan-02 @ 06:25 PM - RE: automation problem
so in this example, I have my environment setup with a fader. The fader is assigned OUT to controller_71 (resonance) - the fader Input is assigned to Mod-wheel (cc_1) - ok... so the fader icon is TICKED in the environment so it appears for track/instrument selection on the arrange-page.
ok... so on the arrange page select/assign the fader to a track...
In this example i have double-clicked on the fader assigned track header to open the environment layer with the fader on it. This is minimised alongside the Arrange screen for easy access to the fader with the mouse, but equaly I could simply control this with my mod wheeel on the master keyboard or whatever assigned hardware controller assigned to the fader Input on the envirnment layer...
ok... so, highlight the track.... hit record.... move the fader/controller and as the cursor scolls right the recorded data displays as vertical bars in grey......
after recording, simply hit the F3 key... zazoom!!... instant hyperdraw!!!... you can then drag this part to be longer and the hyperdraw drags out wider with the part... sadly tho if you create a part manualy (empty) with the pencil on the arrange page it doesn't allow instant F3 key default to hyperraw (autodefine) taking it's parameter from the assigned track/fader... it seems that for auto-define to work one needs some data in there first.... In practical use this seems ok as one probably would assign a manual hardware controller to the required faders and manualy do the automation , then tweak it in edit mode afterwards....
For use like that, auto-define (F3) works great....
SO, to MANUALY input controller data in the first instance, one must assign ones fader to a track header, click to create a blank part, then use the quick key command: SHIFT/F3 to open the controller assignment box & set the controller... once that is done, then when you open the part in your piano-roll edit, a simple click on F3 after opening the piano-roll will set the display to the assigned controller.
Sure, if Emagic update this to auto define BEFORE any data is added based on the object assigned , then fine, but think about it... if a usual/normal instrument is assigned to a track, then F3 is hit, there is nothing it can choose to assign is there!!... so one needs to input data first at the moment...
by the way... in hyperdraw, F1 is volume (instant default without adding data first) - & F2 opens the pan hyperdraw... this happens in both arrange page & piano roll, so we can see from this that where there is a defined parameter (in these two cases fixed for Volume & pan) it works....
The F1 & F2 keys give good quick access to pan & volume for vector style editing (the most accurate)... the autodefine works once data is in the part to actualy be auto-defined...
so thats that ... seems good, works. the only irritating part is that the F3 has to be hit every time you open the editor or the highlighted part on the arrtange page, it doesn't auto-flip as you change your selection.
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