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Original Message Date: 05-Mar-01 @ 12:21 AM - New puter, choosing the components help pleas

Shpongledboy

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Here are some components I just quickly cut and pasted from Finish computer store's web page. If there are some tech heads in this forum I would like to have some opinions from below components. K, do you have any time to answer, please?

Pentium III 1000 MHz 256 kB FC-PGA (133 MHz FSB) BOXED [I heard that in Pentium 4 has some problems and it's not so fast as they fist sa�d it to be. What about some other prosessors than Pentium? Are they stable and will they work software I have(Cubase VST 32/5.0, Giga Sampler 1.60, Reaktor, Reality, Sound Forge, VST instrumets, Direct X plug-ins etc. etc..)]

ASUS A7M266, AMD 761, 2xDDR DIMM mother board. (are there any better for music making? I know nothing about this subject)

256MT SDRAM DIMM 133MHz 168PINN. Orig... or
256MT DDR DIMM 266MHz PC2100 Orig(what is the difference between SDRAM DIMM and DDR DIMM?)(or should I get even more ram. I think I'll be using windows 98 and read from some thread in here that it can't use more than 256MT of RAM)

IBM ULTRASTAR 36LZX 18.3GT U3W-SCSI LVD 10000RPM/4MT 2787(is IBM good and are there any better companies which for some reason would be better for musicans?)

ASUS AGP-V7700 GEFORCE2 GTS DDR 32MT... or
MATROX MILLENIUM G450 32MT DDR DUAL-HEAD(is it good idea to buy same graphic card and mother board to avoid any conflicts between them. or any other suggestions for graphic card? I want to be able to connect two monitors to my setup so I can keep toolbars, mixers, etc, in other monitor and arrange window in other)

19" HYUNDAI P910+ 1600X1200 85HZ monitor(is this good. It was cheapest with 85HZ refresh rate. Again any suggestions?)

Audiophile, delta44, or that hoontech card which has been mentioned here few times(I want good/stable audio and midi sync, midi I/O, at least one audio I/O, no drifting audio in Cubase, Giga Sampler suport, low latency Asio drivers (less than 12ms) so that I can play VST instruments in realtime.

If there are some other combinations of components whitch would result better/faster performance and stability then feel free to suggest.

Some good components which have been noticed to work well together in music making???

Uuh... was this too long? But please can somebody try to help at least in some of the questions?

Thanks in advance.

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Message 11/22 08-Mar-01 @ 08:11 AM - RE: New puter, choosing the components help pleas

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I think there could be truth to to P3 being better than the AMD stuff. If you look at the new reaktor info, it says optomized for p3/g4 so i guess they make use of SSE and the velocity engine respectively. So even though AMD might have been FPU etc, and is a little cheaper, it seems as if reaktor would run better on the P3. Depends if you want to use reaktor etc too. I love the program and thats why i am building p3 instead of the 1.2g tbird, even though its slower and cost more.

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Message 12/22 08-Mar-01 @ 12:51 PM - RE: New puter, choosing the components help pleas

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strange - a software company that limits it's user base by not implementing optimised software for a platform other than intel. that has got to be the wierdest business model ,I certainly wouldn't use it if I wanted my company to be a success.

I'd like to see some benchmarks too cos I'd bet there still aint that mutch in it when comparing like processors (amd athlon 900 / p3 1gig).

If I wanted stable, I'd go for Asus A7v / or Abit KT7 motherboards, both these are around 130 quid, buy quality brand name memory, and most of all make sure the soundcard has up to date drivers, if the company aint releasing up to date drivers then maybe that should tell you something about their commitment to their customers.

do what Manik says though, work back with a card and find out what m.board/processor it likes. check the web pages for details on issues (although you'll probably find they'll forget to add this info).

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Message 13/22 08-Mar-01 @ 07:31 PM - RE: New puter, choosing the components help pleas

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K... Stupid question... does CHIP C mean same as SOCKET C. If not how do I know what processor has chip c?

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Message 14/22 08-Mar-01 @ 09:18 PM - RE: New puter, choosing the components help pleas

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Intel chips are ridiculously slow in comparison to the AMD Tbird. Even with the SSE optimizations for the p3, the AMD chip will still run you faster and better. When you start to get up into the higher speed chips, the optimizations dont matter as much as the floating point performance between the 2. and the floating point on the AMD chips kicks intel's arse.

I'd be suprised if there was any soundcard that didnt work on an Abit KT7-A motherboard. all of this talk of compatability is in the past with the new chipsets and boards coming out. and this talk of a 'stable' amd system costing more is rubbish =) you'll still save money and get more performance out of a 1ghz AMD tbird with a 133mhz front side bus and an Abit KT7A than you would a p3 of the same speed with their top end motherboard. the new Rev2 KT7A's are coming out with even BETTER memory performance than the previously kickass KT7A's.

The only media you see giving intel chips a better review than AMD's are just scare tactics with payoffs involved. AMD is taking over and no amount of intels money is going to make their inferior product better. the tbird even outperforms the pentium *4* is most aspects, and at slower speed!

make sure you get good PC133 CAS2 ram. from www.mushkin.com or www.crucial.com (i prefer crucial)

and yes IBM makes good hardrives for our audio purposes. you'll want 2. 1 for audio tracks and 1 for your OS and programs. the Deskstar 75gxp is great.

oh and all your games like AMD more too

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Message 15/22 08-Mar-01 @ 09:31 PM - RE: New puter, choosing the components help pleas

Jasper

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"and this talk of a 'stable' amd system costing more is rubbish =) "

bah!
so why do you recommend expensive ram then, instead of cheap crap.. and also you could buy a cheap Jetway board instead of a quality Abit / Gigabyte or Asus board...
btw - for games.. get a Geforce 2 GTS - drool...

eh?eh? :P

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Message 16/22 08-Mar-01 @ 10:23 PM - RE: New puter, choosing the components help pleas

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I don't play games I just want a graphickcard where I can plug in two screens. I was thinking MATROX MILLENIUM G450 32MT DDR DUAL-HEAD... but can I plug two screens to ASUS AGP-V7700 GEFORCE2 GTS DDR 32MT?

And once again... does CHIP C mean same as SOCKET C? or was it A? If not how do I know what processors has C CHIP so that I can take advantage of DDR RAM?

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Message 17/22 09-Mar-01 @ 08:52 AM - RE: New puter, choosing the components help pleas

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no.. if you look on the a slot athalon chips the new one that can do ddr ram have a 'C' at the end of the number the normal Tbirds have a 'B'

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Message 18/22 09-Mar-01 @ 11:04 AM - RE: New puter, choosing the components help pleas

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Ok.

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Message 19/22 09-Mar-01 @ 11:57 AM - RE: New puter, choosing the components help pleas

Jasper

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don't bother with the geforce2 gts if your not into gaming, total overkill (but mines ace anyway).

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Message 20/22 10-Mar-01 @ 07:40 AM - RE: New puter, choosing the components help pleas

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Take it from a person who has built hundreds of PCs(I'm not kidding). Athlons blow Intels stanky ass out of the water. As far as a STABLE athlon system, QUALITY parts are #1. I have an ASUS A7V and a Delta66. NO compatibility problems, at all! Also Midiman's tech support is so incredible. Stick with Asus motherboards and you should be fine. And yes, IBM makes killer hard drives. I own a IBM 8GB UW-SCSI and love it.

shawn

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