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Original Message 1/23 26-May-01 @ 10:42 PM - know how to use side chain waves c1

Brett B

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can't figure out how to rought to signals to the same insert? i want to gate a vocal track with the rythm tracks. And do it with some pads as well. I have the wave native gold bundle.

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Message 2/23 28-May-01 @ 03:41 PM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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i didn't think you could?

i may break the manuals out later.

another alternative is some plugin out there called gaterizer or something. it gates audio based on a midi pattern. but i think its vst only so you would need the adapter.

jamey

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Message 3/23 28-May-01 @ 06:52 PM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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Do a mixdown first, if what you're trying to do doesn't work.

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Message 4/23 28-May-01 @ 08:00 PM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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You could try running all the tracks you want to key to a "virtual main" and putting the compressor sidechain on there. I've never used the Waves compressor with a sidechain. I have, however, used the db-audioware dynamics processor with sidechain, and I think it may be a lot more flexible. Sounds great, too (if you don't mind coloration... it's good coloration!)

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Message 5/23 28-May-01 @ 08:24 PM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

Brett B

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yes i think mixing the material to a stereo file with the triger audio panned to one side and the uotput material panned hard to the other would work. then I'll set the C1+ up so the trigger side is set to side chain and I think It will work. I tried using the direcixer plug-in converter to convert my midigate plug-in, but the midi features were not converted. There are other converters on the market that convert all the midi features of VST plug-ins, but this is a cheap one. I'll post back the results of my gating experiment.

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Message 6/23 29-May-01 @ 02:05 PM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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actually brett fxpansion didn't work either with midigate :-(

jamey

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Message 7/23 30-May-01 @ 06:54 AM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

Brett B

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Is there a directx midi gate out there with a filter. like the filtergate they make?

Jamey, you using the light version or the standard of fxexpansion3.0

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Message 8/23 30-May-01 @ 07:22 AM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

Brett B

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alright K was roght. Yopu can't do the channels independatly like you can with hardware. I did gating like this with a zoom years ago. You mute out the side chain channel, but when you make a steroe file with the triger material on one side and the output on the other ans lower the levels on the muted side, bith left and right are used as the triger for the sidechain, and it's responds based on the frequency of the side chain. Nice for gating out unwanted frequencies , but not for tweeking pads and vocals.

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Message 9/23 30-May-01 @ 08:32 PM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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mission accomplished. I put the c1+ on an aux send. sent the bass drum and the snare drum panned left to it pre mixer. then I sent a bass through it panned right pre mixer and pulled the level down on it's channel strip.In the compressor, I opened the keyed gate preset and turned the left channel's volume down to zero and bypassed the comp so on;lt the gate was working,and with some threshold adjustments it worked flawlessly. The bass was gated and triggered by the drums.

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Message 10/23 31-May-01 @ 12:52 AM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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feverishly writing that down and trying to get it to work... COOL!

thanks for the tip

jamey

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Message 11/23 31-May-01 @ 05:57 AM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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huh??????- how on earth did you turn down the left c+ output?... you'll have to describe it deeper than that, and how do you reckon you SEND stereo aux's panned?... the pan on the channel strip seems to have fuck-all effect on the aux send... i just dont get it.. i can get the drums to gate a pad both sent via aux sure, but you have to hear some drums, but you cant set a leftin and right in for either aux send in and choose one as the trigger feed and one as the material being gated, ... how on earth do you say you can do that?..

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Message 12/23 31-May-01 @ 09:38 PM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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K, In Sonar you can pan aux sends. and on the c1+, right above the level meter to the right you see the volume of the inputput. you just click on it and drag it down to zero.But I just tested it with this left alone and it still worked with no drum noise coming thruogh, Waves tech support helped me set it up.

1. Place the audio files on two mono tracks (this is not a must but is
easier for this demos purpose).

2. The two channels should be panned left and right and then routed to a
stereo auxiliary.

3. Place the C1 comp/gate on the stereo aux.

4. Check the user guide starting with page 19 to get a feel for the C1.

5. Choose the Keyed Gate under the Load button.

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Message 13/23 02-Jun-01 @ 05:13 PM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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but what about if you want to use a dxi to gate a dxi ?... i pose it doesnt work cos it's a stereo channel?.. wouldnt for me, or do i need to add sonar pathc 01 ?... what i mean is if i pan my dxi/vsti channel it doesnt seem to effect the auxsend pan....

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Message 14/23 03-Jun-01 @ 11:27 AM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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i don't know, but you can ppan the aux send seperat from the mix pan. so send the dxi panned, and then lower the mix level of the track so only the aux send is audible

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Message 15/23 05-Jun-01 @ 05:28 AM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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ok its all working for me... i am gating a pad with some high hats..

now how do you pan the aux signal going to the mains? my gated pad is only in one channel and its all left....

i suppose you could mix down to a new track with the gated audio but thats not as good.

suggestions?

jamey

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Message 16/23 05-Jun-01 @ 06:34 AM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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i don't know i will have to set it up again. and mess with it

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Message 17/23 05-Jun-01 @ 06:08 PM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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huh?.. i dont have that ?... where is the aux-send pan? i cant see it...

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Message 18/23 06-Jun-01 @ 12:24 AM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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man we are like moe curly and larry....

"where's that aux send"

"its right there under your mouse"

"i know but wheres the pan?"

"nyuk nyuk nyuk"

* eye poke is blocked etc *

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jamey

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Message 19/23 06-Jun-01 @ 12:24 AM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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man we are like moe curly and larry....

"where's that aux send"

"its right there under your mouse"

"i know but wheres the pan?"

"nyuk nyuk nyuk"

* eye poke is blocked etc *

:-)

jamey

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Message 20/23 06-Jun-01 @ 12:25 AM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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it figures i double post on a lame post like that.

so i can't find anyway to pan the aux channel. just the sends on the individual channel.

so i work in mono and then record it off. no big deal.

jamey

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Message 21/23 06-Jun-01 @ 01:14 AM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

Brett B

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under mix or fx tab, you will see an A1 and an A2 or if you have enabled more aux sends A3 etc. to the right is the level, pan, and pre/post mixer. to activate them click it to make sure it has a green box. then adjust the level pan and pre or post mixer..... Wise guy eeehhhhhhhh! Why I aughta...

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Message 22/23 07-Jun-01 @ 12:15 AM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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hey!!... count two !!...

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Message 23/23 11-Jun-01 @ 03:22 AM - RE: know how to use side chain waves c1

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got the vst midi gate converted to dx and working . check out the thread i posted today.

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