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Subject: Why no DSP cards for DX
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Original Message 1/26 25-May-01 @ 07:14 PM - Why no DSP cards for DX
I understand that Sonar is the first professional grade direct x platform, but I would think companies like TC and creamware would would want to cash in on the success of this new platform, and it's potential. Also the new uad-1 is a nice looking plug-in based dsp card will run as vst and MAS.
Message 2/26 26-May-01 @ 07:55 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
Don't any of you want the power of protools quality reverbs and compression in sonar. To get it we need the hardware companies to make dx versions of thier dsp cards. Like Universal Audio and TC. Please e-mail them a request. I am mailing a letter to them and creamware to take notice of Cakewalk and I am sending a request to cakewalk to try and forge alliances with these companies.
Message 3/26 26-May-01 @ 08:01 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
Will the directxer allow you to run the plug-ins from the TC-powercore and the UAD-1?
Message 4/26 30-May-01 @ 08:51 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
You don't need dedicated DSP hardware to get good sounding plugins at all. DSPs are simply CPUs that are optimized for certain types of computation. In the days of 1ghz machines, multiple processors, etc this technology isn't all that necessary, IMHO.
Sound quality of a plugin has nothing to do with whether it runs on DSP or the host CPU, it's the processing algorithm that counts. If the DX version of the Waves Renaissance Compressor and the ProTools TDM version of the same plugin use the exact same algorithm, then the sound quality will be identical between the two.
On the other hand, a DSP card would free up resources on the host machine. The question is, do you need the free resources?
-Craig
Sound quality of a plugin has nothing to do with whether it runs on DSP or the host CPU, it's the processing algorithm that counts. If the DX version of the Waves Renaissance Compressor and the ProTools TDM version of the same plugin use the exact same algorithm, then the sound quality will be identical between the two.
On the other hand, a DSP card would free up resources on the host machine. The question is, do you need the free resources?
-Craig
Message 5/26 30-May-01 @ 08:54 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
And another thing, most of these DSP cards I've seen cost like $800-1000. For $1k, you could hook yourself up with a new dual processor motherboard, a pair of Pentium III 1ghz CPUs, and 512MB of memory. Still think you need a DSP card?
-Craig
-Craig
Message 6/26 31-May-01 @ 12:53 AM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
yah theres a great thread on audioforums.com where the guy from waves and the guy from bomb factory (protools plugs) jump and pound on tc electronics and talk about how dumb their idea of accelerator cards are...
check the waves forum and look for the one with like 20 something responses.
jamey
check the waves forum and look for the one with like 20 something responses.
jamey
Message 7/26 31-May-01 @ 05:55 AM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
You have to conseider the fact that native plug-ins cut corners for cpu conservation as apposed to their hardware counterparts like the power core. Finalizers are well respected tools. and the card produces the power of the finalizer and then some at a cost of less than a finalizer. The powered plug-ins on the uad-1 with emulated la-2a's sounds nice. As for bomb factory, that is all run from protools farm card dsp, as well as the waves tdm versions which are said to sound much better than native waves plug-ins. you should be able to hear the diferance between high quality outboard reverbs and native plug-ins. I do, and high powered cards are required to run them wethor or not your pc can handle it is not the question, but the native plug-ins have scaled down algorythms to be able to run on slower machines regardless of your speed.It sounds like the protools advocates are a little taken by the idea that hardware developers are now able to squeeze protools type fx power into any VST native environment ar a fraction of the cost. DSP based power on cards makes sense. Whats $1000 to add a massive amount of pro FX right into the VST chain freeing up more power to mix and track. I hear the differance between songs done in protools and onse done in Logic and Cubase. It's the eq's reverbs and compressors that make that diferance. You wont get them in VST without studio grade dsp cards to run the fx.
Message 8/26 31-May-01 @ 03:26 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
You're comparing apples to oranges. Comparing a $1500 PC with a $1000 dsp card to a $20k protools rig is ludicrous! It's like comparing a casiotone to a 32 voice Q..
The Waves TDM Gold bundle costs $2600, while the native version costs $1300. You simply aren't going to get something for nothing!
As far as cutting corners goes, DSP programmers also optimize/make trade offs in their code to conserve DSP power.
I just don't see it as a viable, long-term option. PCs are getting faster and cheaper every day, and native plugins are sounding better every day. Why would you tie yourself to a DSP-based solution?
-Craig
The Waves TDM Gold bundle costs $2600, while the native version costs $1300. You simply aren't going to get something for nothing!
As far as cutting corners goes, DSP programmers also optimize/make trade offs in their code to conserve DSP power.
I just don't see it as a viable, long-term option. PCs are getting faster and cheaper every day, and native plugins are sounding better every day. Why would you tie yourself to a DSP-based solution?
-Craig
Message 9/26 31-May-01 @ 07:23 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
i still ask the question... could a vst-dx wrapper address a dsp host based vst plugin?... i wonder?..
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Message 10/26 31-May-01 @ 07:28 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
That I do not know. I would assume it's possible to come up with a wrapper that CAN do that. Whether or not any of the current wrappers can is a good question..
-Craig
-Craig
Message 11/26 31-May-01 @ 09:16 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
TC e-mailed me back and said it was not possible as the software to control the card is only written for the VST native environment. All i was saying, is it is worth spending a $1000 for somthing like the Univerersal Audio's UAD-1 pwered plug-ins. The chip they put on it is massive, and if it will allow me to get the kind of outboard gear quality into my mixining environment it is worth it. As for a $20k rig. The system starts at $7900 and comes with alot. The price goes up for things like $12k pro-controlers and $3000 for a 888 and aditional farm cards. Because UAD-1 uses one chip the resource allocation on it is open and not restricted like mutichip cards can be. This enables them to right huge reverb algorythms. It's the same price is outbaord gear, it works like outboard gear, but it integrates into your virtual mixer. It's ingenious. When they figure out how to allocate cpu on a muti-cpu pc so one is dedicated to plug-ins, this design will be obsolete, but this is what we have right now. Thinking cost effectivly. You get a bunch of studio quality hardware like plug-ins and the hardware for less then the Waves Native Gold Bundle.
Message 12/26 02-Jun-01 @ 01:01 AM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
i got the waves gold bundle for $780 or something like that... (native)
its not too expensive compared to TDM
jamey
its not too expensive compared to TDM
jamey
Message 13/26 03-Jun-01 @ 11:43 AM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
well i love sonar, but i am simply ready for protools. i always wondered how bt sounds were so strange and expresive, as well as the seperation of track audibly. I thought if he was using logic, well i can do it with cubase. well he uses protools with logic as the interface and credits his sound production to the tdm virus, koblo, and tdm sound blender plug-in and mac vst sfx machine. i am so ready for protools. I am getting a mac g4 and going to track down a used mix 24 system. i found one on ebay for $4500, but i am ready for that kind of dependability and quality. He and sasha just finished an album using no hardware. just vst and protools synths and plug-ins. I know we can do good sounding mixes on this platform(sonar). i have some good tracks done now, but I want great tracks and a killer album, and nothing else will do. i think this track i am in now might be my last with out protools. I am going to lease the hardware if i have to. i should have enough for an album by christmas. It's a lot of dosh to spend, but you will never be left wanting more if you run native and dsp based algorythms. Best of both worlds. My sequences rock and my arrangments are great. but i can never make my mixes and fx sound as good as the people i emulate unless i use the same tools. It may take me a while but i will be on protools soon. No more substitutes. If i would have just bought protools instead of all the gear i have, i would be in business. they have some good career opertunities i am looking into as well.
Message 14/26 04-Jun-01 @ 02:30 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
you should talk to digidesign direct for s/h, they do leasing , scheme's and i think they do second user trade-in packages, which'd be supported by them as the bonus.
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Message 15/26 05-Jun-01 @ 06:48 AM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
yes i asked them about leasing and second hand. they told me they don't sell the used stuff directly, but i could find it on their user pages, and leasing is through authorized dealers. I have a good one in Dallas here. i called the dept. head today. i am waiting for a phone call. I think i am going to sell my setup as turn key and buy a mac G4. i might have a few weeks to a month down, but i am busy and have litle time for music right now anyway. i would use my PII, as the next version of protools is going to support win2000, but the VST plug-ins I like are all Mac. Like sfx machine. You know of a PC VST version of anything that does that kind of layering of fx fro processing? Everthing else i want is TDM, so mac or pc is irrelavent. And logic 5.0 looks nice. With direct connect and the ESB i could run both TDM and VST simaltaneously. All those soft synths would plug right into the TDM mix environment. I could get away with using the adat bridge for i/o with my o1v, or i could sell it and buy a used 888 . I only have a few instruments left, and the sofsyhts in the new logic are sweet. I may just keep my mks-80 and use the TDM virus and VST synths for everything. Then there is sample cellII. I get excited to think of having all that power in my little studio. At any rate e-bay has plenty of digidesign gear changing hands. If i am patient and hunt down everthing , i can do it reasonably. I am off to downlaod the second patch. talk to you later .
Message 16/26 06-Jun-01 @ 09:06 AM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
i was thinking. do you need the protools software to run Logic on the mix24 card? Why not just buy a mix24card for $2000 and Logic. It appears that the core system consists of a card and protools 5.1 for $8000, but additional cards are only $2000 more. On e-bay there are plenty of copies of 5.1 going around with authoriztions left on them. So it seems you pay $5000 for the software, and $2000 for the hardware. That's a little insane. I emailed Logic, again to see if you need the protools software to run logic on the TDM hardware.
Message 17/26 06-Jun-01 @ 09:07 AM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
i meant to say you pay $6000 for the software and $2000 for the mixcards
Message 18/26 06-Jun-01 @ 01:33 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
not to be rude or anything brett (you seem like a cool guy) but i don't think buying new gear will give you better tunes or make you a better producer.
protools wont:
give you better separation or sound on your mixes
help you arrange tracks better
make audio editing/midi any easier
help you eq your mix correctly
etc etc
the only thing protools will allow you to do is maybe not have to mess with gear setups and bugs.... you can just get to work. maybe in the end that will help you get to some of the above goals etc.
a lot of people jump from platform to sequencer to sequencer etc just to find that they write the same quality tracks they did previously.
so anyway, it seems like you are set so have a blast at it but don't think buying more/better gear is a magic wand for getting you to the next "level"
what will probably get you to the next level is hanging out in the studio with people who produce better than you do so you can learn from them. i am sure thats how the bedrock/bt/etc crew learned the minute details that make thier tunes sound sooooo good.
good luck man!
jamey
protools wont:
give you better separation or sound on your mixes
help you arrange tracks better
make audio editing/midi any easier
help you eq your mix correctly
etc etc
the only thing protools will allow you to do is maybe not have to mess with gear setups and bugs.... you can just get to work. maybe in the end that will help you get to some of the above goals etc.
a lot of people jump from platform to sequencer to sequencer etc just to find that they write the same quality tracks they did previously.
so anyway, it seems like you are set so have a blast at it but don't think buying more/better gear is a magic wand for getting you to the next "level"
what will probably get you to the next level is hanging out in the studio with people who produce better than you do so you can learn from them. i am sure thats how the bedrock/bt/etc crew learned the minute details that make thier tunes sound sooooo good.
good luck man!
jamey
Message 19/26 06-Jun-01 @ 01:38 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
hey brett btw, i want to hear what you are doing trackwise....
here are some links to stuff i am working on:
http://www.devoutartists.com/mp3/formantnewone.mp3
http://www.devoutartists.com/mp3/formant.mp3
http://www.devoutartists.com/mp3/anything.mp3
those are all smallish mp3 files at full quality.
my setup is o1v, jv1010, reaktor, nord micro modular, sonar, waves plugs, and a kawai k5000 as a controller.
jamey
here are some links to stuff i am working on:
http://www.devoutartists.com/mp3/formantnewone.mp3
http://www.devoutartists.com/mp3/formant.mp3
http://www.devoutartists.com/mp3/anything.mp3
those are all smallish mp3 files at full quality.
my setup is o1v, jv1010, reaktor, nord micro modular, sonar, waves plugs, and a kawai k5000 as a controller.
jamey
Message 20/26 06-Jun-01 @ 03:01 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
I agree with Formant, and $8k is WAY too much to spend on a project recording setup, IMHO.
-Craig
-Craig
Message 21/26 06-Jun-01 @ 09:07 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
well, the thing is i want to move into this as a career. I just graduated from college with a CIS degree and want to work in studio networking and post production facilities. I really want to learn protools hardware setups and data storage configuration. As for making your music better. there are plug-ins that sound so much better in TDM. Have you ever used protools? if you havn't i can understand your reluctantness to see it's benefits. When used with logic and the ESB, you can run protools and Logic. this allows you to use both VST and TDM plug-ins. the quality of TDM Lexiverb is renound through the recording industry. Wave mechanics audio suit lets you mangle and bend pitch all over the place and time strech in a way that native stuff doesn't. I am going to do it much cheaper than you think. You will hear my music when it is released, when i am done with this break beat track I am doing in Sonar, I will probably press it as a single with a progressive house track i finished last month. Believe me, protools is no joke, and you can not compete with it on a native system. You have to hear it in person. i worked on a play's sound track at a school protools lab a few months back and i made up my mind that it was where i was going. I would like to eventualy do post production work. I don't plan on making dance tracks in my bedroom forever. protools is the project environment by choice of all the pros. Everytime you hear about some producer using cubase, or logic, they forget to tell you he is running it on protools hardware, and if he ins't he is using really expensive outboard like chicane and just using it to sequence the midi. Don't be naive. hit tracks are not done on native stand alone systems. and if they are, it's rare.
Message 22/26 06-Jun-01 @ 09:24 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
hey jamey, very nice tracks, deep and dark like i like it. But please don't take this the wrong way as it may be the mp3 encoding, but there is something sonicly to be desired in there.Now listen to a Hybrid remix of BT or somthing, and tell me you can't hear the added clarity and head room in the highs and lows. the TDM mixer has so much more room than the VST mixer, or Sonar. It's like mixing records on a Rane, and then mixing on a Numark. The croud can't hear the diferance, but on the DAT you made you sure as hell can. You are talented, i loved the track "anything". I had a Nord modular. I sold it. I use a Nova, MKS-80, EMU-e4, dx-100, 01v, DSP factory,Cubase/Sonar waves Gold Bundle. roland DS-90 monitors. I have heard Reaktor fat. Where do you get your drums. I need good live kits for breaks?
Message 23/26 06-Jun-01 @ 10:49 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
thanks man.. i know my actual mixes are lacking... but thats my skills, not the tools.
"but there is something sonicly to be desired in there.Now listen to a Hybrid remix of BT or somthing, and tell me you can't hear the added clarity and head room in the highs and lows."
i agree and recently started (like this week) to reference against some bedrock/hooj stuff right off of cd. at least i can hear the difference so now i can learn to close the gap...
"the TDM mixer has so much more room than the VST mixer, or Sonar. It's like mixing records on a Rane, and then mixing on a Numark. The croud can't hear the diferance, but on the DAT you made you sure as hell can."
i disagree... its all about how you put your levels, do your eq, and spread your stereo. after that its about the insanely nice mastering jobs they do on the tracks. if you want to hear a very nice track that appears to have almost no mastering done to it check mainline - innerspace on bedrock. then for a comparison check bedrock - voices and you will hear that million dollar sound you are talking about. same label, different mastering/production jobs. the bedrock track was probably done in protools but i am willing to bet the mainline track wasn't. also the guys using protools tend to know a LOT more about mixing and eq and stereo than your average bedroom dj (me!)
"You are talented, i loved the track "anything"."
thanks, that one is actually coming out on vinyl in orlando soon (my buddys starting a label)
"I had a Nord modular. I sold it. I use a Nova, MKS-80, EMU-e4, dx-100, 01v, DSP factory,Cubase/Sonar waves Gold Bundle. roland DS-90 monitors. I have heard Reaktor fat."
nice setup!
"Where do you get your drums. I need good live kits for breaks? "
i would recomend dance mega drums 2... i didn't get the drums on 'anything' from dancemega drums 2 though, dunno where i got em really
"well, the thing is i want to move into this as a career. I just graduated from college with a CIS degree and want to work in studio networking and post production facilities. I really want to learn protools hardware setups and data storage configuration"
if thats the case then you will get your foot in the door much easier knowing protools inside out... also if you want to do post production work you will be doing it on protools for sure.
good luck man, sounds like you have a good plan to not get raped too bad by digidesign... god help you if you have to pay for the waves gold tdm version now tho!!! :-)
jamey
"but there is something sonicly to be desired in there.Now listen to a Hybrid remix of BT or somthing, and tell me you can't hear the added clarity and head room in the highs and lows."
i agree and recently started (like this week) to reference against some bedrock/hooj stuff right off of cd. at least i can hear the difference so now i can learn to close the gap...
"the TDM mixer has so much more room than the VST mixer, or Sonar. It's like mixing records on a Rane, and then mixing on a Numark. The croud can't hear the diferance, but on the DAT you made you sure as hell can."
i disagree... its all about how you put your levels, do your eq, and spread your stereo. after that its about the insanely nice mastering jobs they do on the tracks. if you want to hear a very nice track that appears to have almost no mastering done to it check mainline - innerspace on bedrock. then for a comparison check bedrock - voices and you will hear that million dollar sound you are talking about. same label, different mastering/production jobs. the bedrock track was probably done in protools but i am willing to bet the mainline track wasn't. also the guys using protools tend to know a LOT more about mixing and eq and stereo than your average bedroom dj (me!)
"You are talented, i loved the track "anything"."
thanks, that one is actually coming out on vinyl in orlando soon (my buddys starting a label)
"I had a Nord modular. I sold it. I use a Nova, MKS-80, EMU-e4, dx-100, 01v, DSP factory,Cubase/Sonar waves Gold Bundle. roland DS-90 monitors. I have heard Reaktor fat."
nice setup!
"Where do you get your drums. I need good live kits for breaks? "
i would recomend dance mega drums 2... i didn't get the drums on 'anything' from dancemega drums 2 though, dunno where i got em really
"well, the thing is i want to move into this as a career. I just graduated from college with a CIS degree and want to work in studio networking and post production facilities. I really want to learn protools hardware setups and data storage configuration"
if thats the case then you will get your foot in the door much easier knowing protools inside out... also if you want to do post production work you will be doing it on protools for sure.
good luck man, sounds like you have a good plan to not get raped too bad by digidesign... god help you if you have to pay for the waves gold tdm version now tho!!! :-)
jamey
Message 24/26 07-Jun-01 @ 12:28 AM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
LOL, i ambuying used for damn sure, but you have to be careful to purchase from the licensed party to transfer ownership. I have seen turn key setups for %-6 on G#'s and G4's. I am going to put the cash as I accumulate it into a protools fund, then when I find the right deal i will buy.
Message 25/26 07-Jun-01 @ 08:06 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
I agree that Pro-Tools is THE professional DAW, and nothing touches it for industry-wide acceptance and reliability, but consider these things:
I work in a major studio in Philadelphia, using great, vintage analog gear, 2" 24-track tape machines, and an SSL 9000j console. I also use Pro-Tools every single day, doing track dumps, editing, and full mixes. I know Pro-Tools very well and enjoy using it for a variety of audio tasks (especially when I have a hardware control surface... then it's just the bomb).
Still, even with all this great gear, I prefer to do my own music at home in Sonar. Even knowing all the keyboard shortcuts, even with a hardware control surface, I still can't move as fast in Pro-Tools as I can in Sonar. The sound quality between the two systems is so close that, unless you're producing audio for SACD or DVD-Audio, I would laugh at you if you said native systems can't cut it. Nowadays, they simply can and do work for professional-level audio.
As far as plug-ins go, I can't say that the quality of sound is that much better in Pro-Tools. PT gets the nod when it comes to NEWER and more hi-tech plugins... they usually come out on TDM first. But I use the Waves Gold Bundle, Auto-tune, and Mic-Modeler on both systems (TDM and DirectX) and hear no difference in sound quality. I'm not saying I'm Bob Ludwig or Dave Moulton or anything with my ears, but I am a professional engineer and trust my ears to qualitative comparisons. Perhaps TDM versions are more expensive because the hardware allows live input monitoring, essentially making the plugin a live box, which greatly increases its value. It will be interesting to see if DirectX plugin prices remain so low now that native systems are moving into live software monitoring.
As far as reliability, yes, Pro-Tools is more stable. I'd say Sonar crashes about 3 times more during a session than the Pro-Tools system at work does. However, to reboot and reload Pro-Tools and the session you're working on takes about 3-4 minutes at work... rebooting and loading Sonar with a project at home takes like a minute tops. And just closing and opening the program again (PT, Sonar), well there's no comparison... PT takes almost 2 minutes, Sonar is almost instant. Sonar saves time, even though it crashes more often. I'll admit the system at work is a little on the slow side... a G4 would help... but I've seen Pro-Tools on a G4 and it's still not as fast as Sonar.
I used to lust after Pro-Tools, but now that Sonar's out, I really am quite content. If you can't do something mix-wise in Sonar, you're just not being creative enough. And if your mix doesn't sound right, it's your mix, not the system! I don't mean to sound like I'm slagging on ya or anything. I've been doing this for a long time and just recently have I started to turn out mixes on my native system that I'm proud of... and just as good as anything I do in Pro-Tools (get it? My tunes are as good as I am and no more)...
Just some food for thought before you shell out HARD cash for PT... if you really wanna learn, why not try Pro-Tools Free or LE?
psylichon
I work in a major studio in Philadelphia, using great, vintage analog gear, 2" 24-track tape machines, and an SSL 9000j console. I also use Pro-Tools every single day, doing track dumps, editing, and full mixes. I know Pro-Tools very well and enjoy using it for a variety of audio tasks (especially when I have a hardware control surface... then it's just the bomb).
Still, even with all this great gear, I prefer to do my own music at home in Sonar. Even knowing all the keyboard shortcuts, even with a hardware control surface, I still can't move as fast in Pro-Tools as I can in Sonar. The sound quality between the two systems is so close that, unless you're producing audio for SACD or DVD-Audio, I would laugh at you if you said native systems can't cut it. Nowadays, they simply can and do work for professional-level audio.
As far as plug-ins go, I can't say that the quality of sound is that much better in Pro-Tools. PT gets the nod when it comes to NEWER and more hi-tech plugins... they usually come out on TDM first. But I use the Waves Gold Bundle, Auto-tune, and Mic-Modeler on both systems (TDM and DirectX) and hear no difference in sound quality. I'm not saying I'm Bob Ludwig or Dave Moulton or anything with my ears, but I am a professional engineer and trust my ears to qualitative comparisons. Perhaps TDM versions are more expensive because the hardware allows live input monitoring, essentially making the plugin a live box, which greatly increases its value. It will be interesting to see if DirectX plugin prices remain so low now that native systems are moving into live software monitoring.
As far as reliability, yes, Pro-Tools is more stable. I'd say Sonar crashes about 3 times more during a session than the Pro-Tools system at work does. However, to reboot and reload Pro-Tools and the session you're working on takes about 3-4 minutes at work... rebooting and loading Sonar with a project at home takes like a minute tops. And just closing and opening the program again (PT, Sonar), well there's no comparison... PT takes almost 2 minutes, Sonar is almost instant. Sonar saves time, even though it crashes more often. I'll admit the system at work is a little on the slow side... a G4 would help... but I've seen Pro-Tools on a G4 and it's still not as fast as Sonar.
I used to lust after Pro-Tools, but now that Sonar's out, I really am quite content. If you can't do something mix-wise in Sonar, you're just not being creative enough. And if your mix doesn't sound right, it's your mix, not the system! I don't mean to sound like I'm slagging on ya or anything. I've been doing this for a long time and just recently have I started to turn out mixes on my native system that I'm proud of... and just as good as anything I do in Pro-Tools (get it? My tunes are as good as I am and no more)...
Just some food for thought before you shell out HARD cash for PT... if you really wanna learn, why not try Pro-Tools Free or LE?
psylichon
Message 26/26 11-Jun-01 @ 03:16 AM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
the next protools will run on windows 2k. I would like to see something like Logic & Emagic System Bridge for protools in Sonar. Run both DX, and TDM stuff on windows 2k with sonar as the environment. i e-mailed cakewalk and they replied they are considering the idea of forging relationships with dsp hardware developers. So, it's could actually happen.
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