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Subject: Why no DSP cards for DX
Original Message Date: 25-May-01 @ 07:14 PM - Why no DSP cards for DX
Message 21/26 06-Jun-01 @ 09:07 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
Message 22/26 06-Jun-01 @ 09:24 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
Message 23/26 06-Jun-01 @ 10:49 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
"but there is something sonicly to be desired in there.Now listen to a Hybrid remix of BT or somthing, and tell me you can't hear the added clarity and head room in the highs and lows."
i agree and recently started (like this week) to reference against some bedrock/hooj stuff right off of cd. at least i can hear the difference so now i can learn to close the gap...
"the TDM mixer has so much more room than the VST mixer, or Sonar. It's like mixing records on a Rane, and then mixing on a Numark. The croud can't hear the diferance, but on the DAT you made you sure as hell can."
i disagree... its all about how you put your levels, do your eq, and spread your stereo. after that its about the insanely nice mastering jobs they do on the tracks. if you want to hear a very nice track that appears to have almost no mastering done to it check mainline - innerspace on bedrock. then for a comparison check bedrock - voices and you will hear that million dollar sound you are talking about. same label, different mastering/production jobs. the bedrock track was probably done in protools but i am willing to bet the mainline track wasn't. also the guys using protools tend to know a LOT more about mixing and eq and stereo than your average bedroom dj (me!)
"You are talented, i loved the track "anything"."
thanks, that one is actually coming out on vinyl in orlando soon (my buddys starting a label)
"I had a Nord modular. I sold it. I use a Nova, MKS-80, EMU-e4, dx-100, 01v, DSP factory,Cubase/Sonar waves Gold Bundle. roland DS-90 monitors. I have heard Reaktor fat."
nice setup!
"Where do you get your drums. I need good live kits for breaks? "
i would recomend dance mega drums 2... i didn't get the drums on 'anything' from dancemega drums 2 though, dunno where i got em really
"well, the thing is i want to move into this as a career. I just graduated from college with a CIS degree and want to work in studio networking and post production facilities. I really want to learn protools hardware setups and data storage configuration"
if thats the case then you will get your foot in the door much easier knowing protools inside out... also if you want to do post production work you will be doing it on protools for sure.
good luck man, sounds like you have a good plan to not get raped too bad by digidesign... god help you if you have to pay for the waves gold tdm version now tho!!! :-)
jamey
Message 24/26 07-Jun-01 @ 12:28 AM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
Message 25/26 07-Jun-01 @ 08:06 PM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
I work in a major studio in Philadelphia, using great, vintage analog gear, 2" 24-track tape machines, and an SSL 9000j console. I also use Pro-Tools every single day, doing track dumps, editing, and full mixes. I know Pro-Tools very well and enjoy using it for a variety of audio tasks (especially when I have a hardware control surface... then it's just the bomb).
Still, even with all this great gear, I prefer to do my own music at home in Sonar. Even knowing all the keyboard shortcuts, even with a hardware control surface, I still can't move as fast in Pro-Tools as I can in Sonar. The sound quality between the two systems is so close that, unless you're producing audio for SACD or DVD-Audio, I would laugh at you if you said native systems can't cut it. Nowadays, they simply can and do work for professional-level audio.
As far as plug-ins go, I can't say that the quality of sound is that much better in Pro-Tools. PT gets the nod when it comes to NEWER and more hi-tech plugins... they usually come out on TDM first. But I use the Waves Gold Bundle, Auto-tune, and Mic-Modeler on both systems (TDM and DirectX) and hear no difference in sound quality. I'm not saying I'm Bob Ludwig or Dave Moulton or anything with my ears, but I am a professional engineer and trust my ears to qualitative comparisons. Perhaps TDM versions are more expensive because the hardware allows live input monitoring, essentially making the plugin a live box, which greatly increases its value. It will be interesting to see if DirectX plugin prices remain so low now that native systems are moving into live software monitoring.
As far as reliability, yes, Pro-Tools is more stable. I'd say Sonar crashes about 3 times more during a session than the Pro-Tools system at work does. However, to reboot and reload Pro-Tools and the session you're working on takes about 3-4 minutes at work... rebooting and loading Sonar with a project at home takes like a minute tops. And just closing and opening the program again (PT, Sonar), well there's no comparison... PT takes almost 2 minutes, Sonar is almost instant. Sonar saves time, even though it crashes more often. I'll admit the system at work is a little on the slow side... a G4 would help... but I've seen Pro-Tools on a G4 and it's still not as fast as Sonar.
I used to lust after Pro-Tools, but now that Sonar's out, I really am quite content. If you can't do something mix-wise in Sonar, you're just not being creative enough. And if your mix doesn't sound right, it's your mix, not the system! I don't mean to sound like I'm slagging on ya or anything. I've been doing this for a long time and just recently have I started to turn out mixes on my native system that I'm proud of... and just as good as anything I do in Pro-Tools (get it? My tunes are as good as I am and no more)...
Just some food for thought before you shell out HARD cash for PT... if you really wanna learn, why not try Pro-Tools Free or LE?
psylichon
Message 26/26 11-Jun-01 @ 03:16 AM - RE: Why no DSP cards for DX
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