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Original Message 1/28 07-Feb-01 @ 03:54 PM - Your Dream SoundCard

stefan_surzycki

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If price was not an object, and the world was really flat, what would all of you all's dreamcard be, (real or imaginary)

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Message 2/28 07-Feb-01 @ 06:04 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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Well, you can buy the Scope system for about $5,000.00 or the SoundScape for about $5000-$6000.00 or ProTools or Kyma. Most people who ask this question are wondering when are they going to come up with a total studio on a card with pro quality. Answer, they have its just not in anybodys price range that would ask that question. For six grand you could buy a Triton and a hard disk recorder and a cheap computer for sequencing ect. When it comes to real quality you get what you pay for and I don't see that changing real soon. I might be wrong but they don't seem to be able to put enough dsp horsepower on a single PCI card to do the whole thing. You can buy extra expansion stuff but then your back up into the high $$$$$. I suggest you freeze yourself for about ten years when you thaw out cards like the systems above will be affordable to people who dream of a "cheap Studio on a sound card solution." Its more likely that soft synths with built in cdrw burner capility something like orion or Reason coupled with a 2-3 ghz cpu system will get you there alot sooner that the studio on a card route. The reason is simple. Cpu's are getting faster and cheaper more quickly than specialized proprietary dsp chips like the ones on cards like Oasys or Pulsar.

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Message 3/28 07-Feb-01 @ 07:30 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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im quite happy with my SBlive with APS divers really :-)

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Message 4/28 09-Feb-01 @ 04:21 AM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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well i'd get protools simply cos i could rent it out. people'd pay more for the name

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Message 5/28 09-Feb-01 @ 04:27 AM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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but for personal use i'm happy with the hoontech dsp2496/dac2000 rack setup. i'd like to try a midiman IOIO tho & a egosys lappy unit wamibox. soundcarpe i'd like actually if it was 'best for home use' - but for a studio setup to make cash, protools. i'd lease it cos protools plus a few old quality mic's and some tasty valve eq and you are setup to reap the wads of dosh from punters.... protools do good leasing schemes as it goes it works out very affordable and they do upgrade paths, support thru contract time etc... i think they even re-lease used systems mebbe??... then rent it to labels.

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Message 6/28 09-Feb-01 @ 01:33 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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You are probably happy with functionality of APS/Live because you didn't pay for it. The crack destroyed the future of the product which I payed lot's of money for. I hope that it blows up your PC one day.

R

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Message 7/28 09-Feb-01 @ 05:53 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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huh?.. what you can get a crack free physical object now? (the card?) dont get it?

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Message 8/28 09-Feb-01 @ 06:52 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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K, as you probably know there is a crack which makes E-MU APS drivers work on SBLive. This is the crack I'm talking about. E-MU had big plans for APS but since the drivers could be easily applied on SBLive they were affraid that they would loose money so they dropped the whole thing. Leaving us users of APS no prospect for a driver update. And SBLive users with drivers which they didn't pay for. Cool. eh?

R

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Message 9/28 09-Feb-01 @ 10:57 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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Aw, come on, you're blaming the crackers and not the marketing dept. of Creative? They wrote the fucking drivers originally, they knew most of the features of the APS could have been made available on the SB Live, but they decided only to implement it on a "high end" card, even though they are based around the same chip. This was a blatant plan to make as much money as possible out of our market (musicians). All the crackers have done is give ppl the opportunity to get extra functionality out of a cheap card. That's what hacking should be about imho, sussing out how things work and then making more features available, and enabling hidden stuff. I don't see anything wrong with that, personally, but I can understand ppl being pissed off if they paid full whack for the APS, then the support was dropped....

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Message 10/28 09-Feb-01 @ 11:40 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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Well i end up buying most of the software i use when im sure i like it because of constant support and updates. the only thing i just dont see any point for is wavelab cos you'got to have the bloody cd in the drive. if they'd change that i would buy it.
Ive been using the APS drivers for a While now and i am very familiar with the mixer and very happy with it, so if EMU did have big plans then sooner or later i would probably upgrade to one of their products.

i dont think anybody who is serious about audio production is going to go out and buy a soundblaster and then go download some unsupported drivers that may never get another update. i know i certainly wouldn't. but its great to start out on and if anything should only popularise the EMU products.

my point with the above comment was that you dont need a $1000 card to get busy making decent tunes, some of my friends buy stuff so often they dont even know how to use it. (or need 8 outputs at this stage of the game.)

anyway not much chance of my computer blowing up, in fact its never been more stable not a single crash in the last two weeks

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Message 11/28 10-Feb-01 @ 06:03 AM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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I hate people that get pissed when you find a sweet deal and they werent in on it... Yeah sounds like a nice case of sour grapes on your part, R. You cant tell me your'e so honest, you havent used a liscensed sample, or played with some software that doesnt belong to you...The man Easy Ed made the best damn point, if Acura made all their cars compatible with NSX engines people would be going nuts to get them, but poor Acura, the sales on their $70000+ NSX would plummet. But isnt that what marketing is all about? Planning for positive (or negative) outcome? If you let the theives steal from you, they will!!! But dont feel completely bad, because I hear the same thing is happening to Creamware......

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Message 12/28 12-Feb-01 @ 09:46 AM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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Whats happening to creamware? And R because they sell basicly the same card (diferences were the converters and i/o) which cost them probably 50 bucks more to manufacture but sold them 400bucks more, i think its creative / e-mu's own fault, try to rip people off, and now they lost their market share in the pro sound card segment...

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Message 13/28 12-Feb-01 @ 10:26 AM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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The Delta 1010 is the very best of all times!!!!!!!!!

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Message 14/28 12-Feb-01 @ 06:15 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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I would have to say that the Deltas are my favorite for right now. I own a delta66 and just think its the greatest thing since sliced bread. They may not have a zillion features, but what they do, they do WELL.

shawn

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Message 15/28 12-Feb-01 @ 09:59 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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i stumbled on this today. im not trying to advocate that the sblive is the best card in the world, but i thought this was funny because it is one of the cheapest.

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Message 16/28 13-Feb-01 @ 02:13 AM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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Hardly a soundcard solution, but...

Using a 01v as a frontend and then getting it into the PC through an adat connection is just darn excellent.

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Message 17/28 21-Feb-01 @ 11:09 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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the company isnt called Creamware for nothing ;)

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Message 18/28 05-Mar-01 @ 10:52 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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Regarding the APS drivers....
Creative 'stole' the Ensoniqu Audio PCI (Vitalink.com for $49) and then completely obliterated the functionality to keep market share. It's legal but it shows they aren't really interested in the music afterall. Screw creative for 'disabling' the features on the SBLive. They have been notorious for creating 50 product lines so they can squeze as much money as they can out of us. Screw EMU for closing shop the drivers. Maybe they should've higher the APS guys, which are still updating their own drivers =)
Speaking of the car issue, you might as well flame some auto-phile newsgroups for how they are shutting down the american car market for souping up thier jap cars with 3rd party hardware..

I call it darwinism.....
X

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Message 19/28 06-Mar-01 @ 04:41 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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GB, that's exactly what I intend to do

-Craig

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Message 20/28 06-Mar-01 @ 06:11 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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The quality of the audio recorded with such a system is excellent, Craig.
What adat card are you planning to use for the PC ?

I use the Hammerfall, and it would probably be interesting for other people to know how your combination works too.

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Message 21/28 06-Mar-01 @ 06:12 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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For other people too, I mean. I'm very interested.

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Message 22/28 10-Mar-01 @ 03:23 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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I'd be very grateful if one or other of you guys/gals would clarify this matter of using APS drivers from EMU(?)with the SB Live. I'm about to buy a new PC and haven't yet decided on a soundcard but the SB Live! Platinum interests me greatly. Would you also please clarify the legality or illegality of it. Any websites where this is covered in detail?
Thanks,
Dermot

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Message 23/28 11-Mar-01 @ 04:09 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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With future upgrades creamware is making their lower end cards compatible with pulsar/scope plugins. So users of luna/powersampler/elektra can use them too. So I think creamware is not so bad afterall.

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Message 24/28 13-Mar-01 @ 07:44 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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Hi. I have a soundblaster live and a delta 44. I wanted to use the sound blaster as a transport for midi and the delta 44 for audio. The soundblaster works. But i can't get cubase to record any audio through my delta. I want to keep both cards because i do not have a hardsynth. Does anyone have any ideas thanx boocoop.

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Message 25/28 15-Mar-01 @ 06:28 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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dermotd - do a search for APS in the forum here AND in the DER LINKS section.... um - i wouldn't bother with worrying about legalities from Creative...

nemss77... is the delta properly installed as your audio device in cubase's asio setup section?? - to get input audio recorded requires the channels (in) are setup right and activated too - but first, is the card installed and showing ok ? and is it running on asio delta drivers or mme ones?...

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Message 26/28 16-Mar-01 @ 06:28 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

99devils

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gb, better late than never: I'm
thinking it's probably going to be a
Frontier WaveCenter PCI. It's cheaper
than the RMEs, basically. Once I finish
paying off the 01V (soon, very soon)
then I'm going to begin moving towards
that setup.

I'd like a Hammerfall, but we'll have to
see how the $$$ look. Also, I really
don't need all those ADAT ports - the
01V can only take 1 ADAT card

-Craig

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Message 27/28 31-Mar-01 @ 06:20 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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I have an o1v, i was thinking of getting the apogee 24bit eas/ebu for it, but what sound card with super low latency would have this kind of input? I want the pulsar xtc, and the tcpower core in my box, and the o1v on the front end. Does creamware offer and eas/ebu card to go with the pulsar. I really want apogee AD's. This system would rock. Tc powercore on the master section, all my plug-ins running on the pulsar, and 24/96 apogee AD's. All running on a pIV 1.4. I am going to get it all running by mid summer.

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Message 28/28 31-Mar-01 @ 07:47 PM - RE: Your Dream SoundCard

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just checked, the apogee AP8AD card for my mixer has Tascam D connector out. The creamware only offers adat and eas/ebu and spdif. But the adat and Spdif, and eas/ebu are only 50khz. I love the design on the pulsar xtc. Is there a Tascam Card out there with low latency. i record now at 24/48khz,with the 20bit ad's on my o1v, and my recordings are pretty good. They could be comparable to pro studios with the apogee 24/96 going in, but I want to take advantage of the soft synths and fx on the pulsar as well as the TCpowercore.

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