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Subject: Influx needs some help
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Original Message 1/45 23-Jun-02 @ 10:56 AM - Influx needs some help
almost 2 years ago I worked on a track with this guy. Without breaking it down to numbers the work was mostly me. My studio, my engineering, MY time for the most part (I think he spent 2 maybe 3 days at my pad?)
so...every time he left, I would go back in and tighten shit up...cuz this guy wanted to put every single idea he ever had into ONE track...
eventually I said LOOK this is DONE for now, but I dont want it public.
he wanted otherwise but I said NO. Its not ready, my style isnt ready, the mix aint right blah blah blah
well, it turns out he went and got it released. Financed on his own (someone else apparently paid for it) and it has sold close to 500 copies(? not sure on the exact number)
I just got an email from a friend who pointed out that Release in Canada has it...which means it has gotten around, you know?
thing is..the guy changed the title, and my name is NOT on it AT ALL
he ing calls me "nflux" in the promo he sent out, says I've worked with Uberzone, etc...which is just wack.
I dont know what to do. Im not worried about money but the thought of someone slighting me in this way just makes me want to revert back to the old days where my fists were my means of communication
WHAT DO I DO? please help me before I just kick this dudes ass!!! I cant tell if he's truly a swindler or just not aware of what he is doing!!!!!
Message 2/45 23-Jun-02 @ 11:20 AM - RE: Influx needs some help
Message 3/45 23-Jun-02 @ 11:22 AM - RE: Influx needs some help
thing is, what sort of outcome do you want? do you want to stop him selling it? or just put the credit right? (along with $)
Message 4/45 23-Jun-02 @ 11:23 AM - RE: Influx needs some help
I ended up taking a bloke, who did something very similar, to small claims court and was awarded the full profits, which left him in debt. But best of all, he now has a criminal record! He won't be doing it again! I know this sounds mean, but remember this stopped him from doing this to anyone else!
Hope this helps!
Steve.
Message 5/45 23-Jun-02 @ 11:26 AM - RE: Influx needs some help
sure I have the original as midi files on my PC! dated and everything!
thing is..I HAVE contacted him and he swears up and down that no money is being made, etc...
like I said..Im not looking for money, but IF money was made then it is rightfully MINE since the song is mine. he did help, and would of course have partial rights to the track, but BARELY
nothing legal was ever done, and the damn thing was NOT supposed to be PUBLIC dammit! I didnt feel that it was ready
I have to sue him? be a part of this bullshit legal system?
crap
Message 6/45 23-Jun-02 @ 11:37 AM - RE: Influx needs some help
Message 7/45 23-Jun-02 @ 11:38 AM - RE: Influx needs some help
Message 8/45 23-Jun-02 @ 11:41 AM - RE: Influx needs some help
If it's selling then people like it. If he puts a proper credit for you and he sells any more then that's a good thing for you surely? You're not going to be able to stop him doing another 500 if he wants, criminal record or not, so make the most of it for yourself, maybe.
Do you still think it's not worthy of release?
Message 9/45 23-Jun-02 @ 11:43 AM - RE: Influx needs some help
what I was thinking of doing was releasing a better mix of it. the "proper" mix...would be a nice non-violent "bitch slap" no?
Message 10/45 23-Jun-02 @ 12:09 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
Dont really have much to offer other than caving his head in seems like an attractive proposition. Surely uberzone will be none too happy either about his name being used to flog a record? Hes a snake, so you obviously need to sort him out one way or another.....
Message 11/45 23-Jun-02 @ 12:20 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
I'd take the court system way. At least make a call to see what's involved and how your rights can be restored.
Message 12/45 23-Jun-02 @ 12:46 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
Anyway, I hope it works out for you, 'mate'
Message 13/45 23-Jun-02 @ 03:01 PM Edit: 23-Jun-02 | 03:04 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
You will not need to do very much yourself. Any material is instantly copyrighted as soon as it is fixed in some way (i.e. a final recording, music sheets on paper, etc). So if you can prove that you have ownership of the material (original MIDI files, etc.) then he has stolen from you and all that is left to do is speak to a solicitor. You should be able to get 15-30 minutes of free advice in which time I'm sure you will find it is a clear-cut case and it will get you in a lot less trouble than a fight!
Cheers!
Steve.
Message 14/45 23-Jun-02 @ 03:10 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
Steve.
Message 15/45 23-Jun-02 @ 08:29 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
Message 17/45 24-Jun-02 @ 08:02 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
I'm still trying to figure out if the guy was just overzealous or not. I have talked to him and will be checking his records out this week.
Im not going to "fuck him up" because then I am in the wrong and the law will look at ME. I have a record...nothing inside 10 years, but it will come up and I cant afford that shit.
Message 18/45 24-Jun-02 @ 08:08 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
Message 19/45 24-Jun-02 @ 08:47 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
Message 20/45 24-Jun-02 @ 10:19 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
Me opinion? Forget about it. Maybe send him a clear cease and desist, but aside from that, it'll cost you more to stress over it than to just let it go. Sucks, but methinks you know it, eh?
Message 21/45 24-Jun-02 @ 10:44 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
I just want proper credit, thats all.
and I dont like what he did...calling me part of this crew, etc.
whatever, I guess.
I think Im gonna still release a proper mix of it on my own or some shit
Message 22/45 25-Jun-02 @ 08:12 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
Message 23/45 25-Jun-02 @ 08:48 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
like old hip hop answer records. go go go!
Message 24/45 25-Jun-02 @ 08:58 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
Message 25/45 25-Jun-02 @ 09:24 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
He probably does not agree that it was mostly you (that's how these things are, and it's never worth arguing about). So I'm sure he feels he's done nothing wrong. Getting pissed and smackin' him around is a waste of time and will come back to hurt you!
e
Message 26/45 25-Jun-02 @ 10:29 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
there are two parts tho..A)he went too far with it (you should read the promo he sent out which says that I worked with UBERZONE) and B)he is SELLING it....and someone might be making money, but not me. Off MY stuff.
Im gonna do my own version. He called it Rolling Blackout, but I had called it Syntax Error. Any creative suggestions as to how to say "This is the proper mix of this other track you may have heard elsewhere"?
Message 27/45 25-Jun-02 @ 11:14 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
He's just got the audio, right? If you hold the rights on the sounds and the components to meke the tune, and do a remix, or udate or whatever, then it serves to reason that you are covered.
Another thing, if you don't care about loot, then don't act like you do. You have worked with Q for years, even if it's sweeping his studio floor. Technically, the guy is RIGHT in that case. Now, he DOES have to credit you. Period. If not, then fuck the law, burn his house to the ground if he doesn't, or his car, or whatever, but make him hurt. Don't hurt anybody physically and don't get caught. Send me an email. If he's not hurting you, then take the publicity, and use every connection you have. Cut this self-conscious, self-abusive bullshit out. You've been at this a long time. Go ahead and succeed.
If this is just some stupid shit (and it sounds like it is, as you don't even like the tune)....then why are you dwelling on it? Pluck the tick, flush it down the toilet, and keep walking, but stay out of that patch of grass where you picked the tick up, and check yourself for others more frequently.
Now...get out there, and do your good shit, and for fucks sake, get into reality, and get out there on the fucking stage, Influx!!! Don't make me come down there, end up on your doorstep and physically fucking drag you kicking and screaming onto a stage to play. I'll do it. I'm not kidding.
Ape
Message 28/45 26-Jun-02 @ 01:26 AM - RE: Influx needs some help
youre right.
but:
"Cut this self-conscious, self-abusive bullshit out
what the fuck is that?
Message 29/45 26-Jun-02 @ 02:50 AM - RE: Influx needs some help
Ape
Message 30/45 26-Jun-02 @ 04:01 AM - RE: Influx needs some help
and...what if it all came down to I didnt really WANT to "play live"? it IS a hassle, and IS risky for gear..
(not really..I do want to..and do plan on it)
but where did self conscious and self abusive come from? Did you see me flogging myself shyly somewhere?;)
Message 31/45 26-Jun-02 @ 04:23 AM - RE: Influx needs some help
I want to hear it...
Message 32/45 26-Jun-02 @ 05:31 AM - RE: Influx needs some help
just search for "rolling blackout"...oh...just tried again and no dice...
Message 33/45 26-Jun-02 @ 08:20 AM - RE: Influx needs some help
Message 34/45 26-Jun-02 @ 11:25 AM - RE: Influx needs some help
Message 35/45 26-Jun-02 @ 04:51 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
Just thinkin' out loud...
Message 36/45 26-Jun-02 @ 06:49 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
We need more FLEM's...
e
Message 39/45 27-Jun-02 @ 12:20 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
Message 40/45 28-Jun-02 @ 02:46 PM - RE: Influx needs some help
influx the underground is just as corrupt as the commercial crap.
you can see how hard it is to break 'into the scene' when you have great tracks. the reason for this is everyone clammoring over each other to try and enrich themselves, regardless the cost.
you should give all the samples out to the world wide web, dancetechers, etc
then it will look like he made his track off free samples on the web :-)
then you just deny all knowledge of it ha ha
jamey
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