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Subject: speaking of Michael Moore.....
Original Message Date: 05-May-04 @ 04:50 AM - speaking of Michael Moore.....
May 5, 2004
Disney Forbidding Distribution of Film That Criticizes Bush
By JIM RUTENBERG
ASHINGTON, May 4 — The Walt Disney Company is blocking its Miramax division from distributing a new documentary by Michael Moore that harshly criticizes President Bush, executives at both Disney and Miramax said Tuesday.
The film, "Fahrenheit 911," links Mr. Bush and prominent Saudis — including the family of Osama bin Laden — and criticizes Mr. Bush's actions before and after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Disney, which bought Miramax more than a decade ago, has a contractual agreement with the Miramax principals, Bob and Harvey Weinstein, allowing it to prevent the company from distributing films under certain circumstances, like an excessive budget or an NC-17 rating.
Executives at Miramax, who became principal investors in Mr. Moore's project last spring, do not believe that this is one of those cases, people involved in the production of the film said. If a compromise is not reached, these people said, the matter could go to mediation, though neither side is said to want to travel that route.
In a statement, Matthew Hiltzik, a spokesman for Miramax, said: "We're discussing the issue with Disney. We're looking at all of our options and look forward to resolving this amicably."
But Disney executives indicated that they would not budge from their position forbidding Miramax to be the distributor of the film in North America. Overseas rights have been sold to a number of companies.
"We advised both the agent and Miramax in May of 2003 that the film would not be distributed by Miramax," said Zenia Mucha, a company spokeswoman, referring to Mr. Moore's agent. "That decision stands."
Disney came under heavy criticism from conservatives last May after the disclosure that Miramax had agreed to finance the film when Icon Productions, Mel Gibson's studio, backed out.
Mr. Moore's agent, Ari Emanuel, said that Michael D. Eisner, Disney's chief executive, asked him last spring to pull out of the deal with Miramax. Mr. Emanuel said Mr. Eisner expressed concern that it would endanger tax breaks Disney receives for its theme park, hotels and other ventures in Florida, where Mr. Bush's brother, Jeb, is governor.
"Michael Eisner asked me not to sell this movie to Harvey Weinstein; that doesn't mean I listened to him," Mr. Emanuel said. "He definitely indicated there were tax incentives he was getting for the Disney corporation and that's why he didn't want me to sell it to Miramax. He didn't want a Disney company involved."
Disney executives deny that accusation, though they said their displeasure over the deal was made clear to Miramax and Mr. Emanuel.
A senior Disney executive elaborated that the company has the right to quash Miramax's distribution of films if it deems their distribution to be against the interests of the company. Mr. Moore's film, the executive said, is deemed to be against Disney's interests not because of the company's business dealings with the government but because Disney caters to families of all political stripes and believes Mr. Moore's film could alienate many.
"It's not in the interest of any major corporation to be dragged into a highly charged partisan political battle," this executive said.
Miramax is free to seek another distributor in North America, although such a deal would force it to share profits and be a blow to Harvey Weinstein, a big donor to Democrats.
Mr. Moore, who will present the film at the Cannes film festival this month, criticized Disney's decision in an interview on Tuesday, saying, "At some point the question has to be asked, `Should this be happening in a free and open society where the monied interests essentially call the shots regarding the information that the public is allowed to see?' "
Mr. Moore's films, like "Roger and Me" and "Bowling for Columbine," are often a political lightning rod, as he sets out to skewer what he says are the misguided priorities of conservatives and big business. They have also often performed well at the box office. His most recent movie, "Bowling for Columbine," took in about $22 million in North America for United Artists. His books, like "Stupid White Men," a jeremiad against the Bush administration that has sold more than a million copies, have also been lucrative.
Mr. Moore does not disagree that "Fahrenheit 911" is highly charged, but he took issue with the description of it as partisan. "If this is partisan in any way it is partisan on the side of the poor and working people in this country who provide fodder for this war machine," he said.
Mr. Moore said the film describes financial connections between the Bush family and its associates and prominent Saudi Arabian families that go back three decades. He said it closely explores the government's decision to help members of the bin Laden family leave the United States immediately after the 2001 attacks. The film includes comments from American soldiers on the ground in Iraq expressing disillusionment with the war, he said.
Mr. Moore initially planned on producing the film with Mr. Gibson's company, but last May it pulled out.
"The project wasn't right for Icon," said Alan Nierob, a spokesman for Icon, adding that the decision had nothing to do with politics.
Miramax stepped in immediately. The company had previously produced one of Mr. Moore's films, 1997's "The Big One." In return for providing most of the new film's $6 million budget, Miramax was positioned to distribute the film.
While Disney's objections were made clear early on, one executive who spoke on condition of anonymity said the Miramax leadership hoped it would be able to prevail upon Disney to sign off on distribution -— which would ideally hoping happen this summer, before the election and when political interest is high.
Disney Forbidding Distribution of Film That Criticizes Bush
By JIM RUTENBERG
ASHINGTON, May 4 — The Walt Disney Company is blocking its Miramax division from distributing a new documentary by Michael Moore that harshly criticizes President Bush, executives at both Disney and Miramax said Tuesday.
The film, "Fahrenheit 911," links Mr. Bush and prominent Saudis — including the family of Osama bin Laden — and criticizes Mr. Bush's actions before and after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Disney, which bought Miramax more than a decade ago, has a contractual agreement with the Miramax principals, Bob and Harvey Weinstein, allowing it to prevent the company from distributing films under certain circumstances, like an excessive budget or an NC-17 rating.
Executives at Miramax, who became principal investors in Mr. Moore's project last spring, do not believe that this is one of those cases, people involved in the production of the film said. If a compromise is not reached, these people said, the matter could go to mediation, though neither side is said to want to travel that route.
In a statement, Matthew Hiltzik, a spokesman for Miramax, said: "We're discussing the issue with Disney. We're looking at all of our options and look forward to resolving this amicably."
But Disney executives indicated that they would not budge from their position forbidding Miramax to be the distributor of the film in North America. Overseas rights have been sold to a number of companies.
"We advised both the agent and Miramax in May of 2003 that the film would not be distributed by Miramax," said Zenia Mucha, a company spokeswoman, referring to Mr. Moore's agent. "That decision stands."
Disney came under heavy criticism from conservatives last May after the disclosure that Miramax had agreed to finance the film when Icon Productions, Mel Gibson's studio, backed out.
Mr. Moore's agent, Ari Emanuel, said that Michael D. Eisner, Disney's chief executive, asked him last spring to pull out of the deal with Miramax. Mr. Emanuel said Mr. Eisner expressed concern that it would endanger tax breaks Disney receives for its theme park, hotels and other ventures in Florida, where Mr. Bush's brother, Jeb, is governor.
"Michael Eisner asked me not to sell this movie to Harvey Weinstein; that doesn't mean I listened to him," Mr. Emanuel said. "He definitely indicated there were tax incentives he was getting for the Disney corporation and that's why he didn't want me to sell it to Miramax. He didn't want a Disney company involved."
Disney executives deny that accusation, though they said their displeasure over the deal was made clear to Miramax and Mr. Emanuel.
A senior Disney executive elaborated that the company has the right to quash Miramax's distribution of films if it deems their distribution to be against the interests of the company. Mr. Moore's film, the executive said, is deemed to be against Disney's interests not because of the company's business dealings with the government but because Disney caters to families of all political stripes and believes Mr. Moore's film could alienate many.
"It's not in the interest of any major corporation to be dragged into a highly charged partisan political battle," this executive said.
Miramax is free to seek another distributor in North America, although such a deal would force it to share profits and be a blow to Harvey Weinstein, a big donor to Democrats.
Mr. Moore, who will present the film at the Cannes film festival this month, criticized Disney's decision in an interview on Tuesday, saying, "At some point the question has to be asked, `Should this be happening in a free and open society where the monied interests essentially call the shots regarding the information that the public is allowed to see?' "
Mr. Moore's films, like "Roger and Me" and "Bowling for Columbine," are often a political lightning rod, as he sets out to skewer what he says are the misguided priorities of conservatives and big business. They have also often performed well at the box office. His most recent movie, "Bowling for Columbine," took in about $22 million in North America for United Artists. His books, like "Stupid White Men," a jeremiad against the Bush administration that has sold more than a million copies, have also been lucrative.
Mr. Moore does not disagree that "Fahrenheit 911" is highly charged, but he took issue with the description of it as partisan. "If this is partisan in any way it is partisan on the side of the poor and working people in this country who provide fodder for this war machine," he said.
Mr. Moore said the film describes financial connections between the Bush family and its associates and prominent Saudi Arabian families that go back three decades. He said it closely explores the government's decision to help members of the bin Laden family leave the United States immediately after the 2001 attacks. The film includes comments from American soldiers on the ground in Iraq expressing disillusionment with the war, he said.
Mr. Moore initially planned on producing the film with Mr. Gibson's company, but last May it pulled out.
"The project wasn't right for Icon," said Alan Nierob, a spokesman for Icon, adding that the decision had nothing to do with politics.
Miramax stepped in immediately. The company had previously produced one of Mr. Moore's films, 1997's "The Big One." In return for providing most of the new film's $6 million budget, Miramax was positioned to distribute the film.
While Disney's objections were made clear early on, one executive who spoke on condition of anonymity said the Miramax leadership hoped it would be able to prevail upon Disney to sign off on distribution -— which would ideally hoping happen this summer, before the election and when political interest is high.
Message 12/69 06-May-04 @ 05:52 AM - RE: speaking of Michael Moore.....
bowling for columbine
was the biggest grossing documentary film ever.
he's also quite an author and spokesperson.
feel free to bash him but don't do it because he's fat and wears glasses.
you might accidentally smack that punk karl rove.
was the biggest grossing documentary film ever.
he's also quite an author and spokesperson.
feel free to bash him but don't do it because he's fat and wears glasses.
you might accidentally smack that punk karl rove.
Message 13/69 06-May-04 @ 06:27 AM - RE: speaking of Michael Moore.....
except karl rove looks like an actual pig. aside from the fact that he slips into a suit and walks on 2 legs....he actually looks like 100% pig.
i'm not talking just snout...or just fat...or just beady little eyes and glasses...or just bald-headed like a pig....but i mean ALL OF THAT and so seriously designed and put together like 100% total PIGMAN.
it's like some bio-engineering experiment went pretty-darned-south.
you see..... i don't like putting people down for their physical features but he's so mean i don't even consider human anymore.
check him out sometime.....he's really quite a show and being bush's #1 advisor....
you really should know something about him.
i'm not talking just snout...or just fat...or just beady little eyes and glasses...or just bald-headed like a pig....but i mean ALL OF THAT and so seriously designed and put together like 100% total PIGMAN.
it's like some bio-engineering experiment went pretty-darned-south.
you see..... i don't like putting people down for their physical features but he's so mean i don't even consider human anymore.
check him out sometime.....he's really quite a show and being bush's #1 advisor....
you really should know something about him.
Message 14/69 06-May-04 @ 09:33 AM - RE: speaking of Michael Moore.....
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He goes around giving talks (saw him in London a couple of years back) writing books, articles, making documentaries, TV programs, engaging in political activism.. etc etc
He did a TV series in the UK a while back... exposing various government corruption, intelligence (sic) services dirty tricks etc etc.
BS, you have to read 'Stupid White Men'.. hilarious...
;)
He did a TV series in the UK a while back... exposing various government corruption, intelligence (sic) services dirty tricks etc etc.
BS, you have to read 'Stupid White Men'.. hilarious...
;)
Message 15/69 06-May-04 @ 10:58 AM - RE: speaking of Michael Moore.....
yeah we will be able to see it over here luckily....liked bolwing for columnbine...the south park bit was quality!!
greg
greg
Message 16/69 06-May-04 @ 11:53 AM - RE: speaking of Michael Moore.....
Yeah...Don't like him. Dunno, I can't stand people who whine about shit and don't do anything like fund raising/first hand work/volunteer etc in his postition. I'll give him some respect once he does something instead of just "talking" because talking is never enough.
I did see his movie about flint michagan...? Gm plants and stuff. Only thing I saw.
Just curious...what was his standpoint on the columbine stuff? Blame the parents?
I did see his movie about flint michagan...? Gm plants and stuff. Only thing I saw.
Just curious...what was his standpoint on the columbine stuff? Blame the parents?
Message 17/69 06-May-04 @ 02:24 PM - RE: speaking of Michael Moore.....
essentially he the way the thing was put together meant he seems to change his stance half way through.....essentially it all ends up with republican politics and the NRA....
we have mark thomas over here who does do some very good work (well stunts)....im not sure moore is as prolific but chops to him anyway......
greg
we have mark thomas over here who does do some very good work (well stunts)....im not sure moore is as prolific but chops to him anyway......
greg
Message 18/69 06-May-04 @ 02:36 PM - RE: speaking of Michael Moore.....
Moore blamed pretty much anything on fear didn't he? Not Merican culture, not the amount of weapons, not Merican history but just plain old (media fed) fear: fear of crime, fear of blacks, fear of not fitting in, fear of commies etc.etc.etc.
Message 19/69 06-May-04 @ 03:00 PM - RE: speaking of Michael Moore.....
he's not afraid of a few pies by the looks of him.
Message 20/69 06-May-04 @ 04:05 PM - RE: speaking of Michael Moore.....
essentially but first it was the media then it was the current administration....i agree with most of it....there cant be only one reason for it...that would be truly insane!
greg
greg
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