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Subject: "I didn't know you couldn't......"
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Original Message Date: 28-Apr-04 @ 09:41 PM Edit: 28-Apr-04 | 09:42 PM - "I didn't know you couldn't.......
this is absurd! what kind of fucking dolts do we have in the military anyhow?
Abuse Of Iraqi Prisoners Probed
April 28, 2004
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt tells Dan Rather he is "appalled" by what happened in a Baghdad prison.
"If we can't hold ourselves up as an example of how to treat people with dignity and respect, we can't ask that other nations do that to our soldiers."
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt
Army Reserve Staff Sgt. Chip Frederick, one of the soldiers now facing court martial, described to Rather what he saw in the Iraqi prison. (Photo: Staff Sgt. Chip Frederick )
(CBS) A few weeks ago, the U.S. Army announced that 17 soldiers in Iraq had been removed from duty, and six of them were facing court martial for mistreating Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib, the infamous prison where Saddam Hussein and his henchmen tortured and executed Iraqis for decades.
60 Minutes II has obtained photographs of what was happening in Abu Ghraib. The photos show American soldiers mistreating Iraqi prisoners.
In his Wednesday morning briefing, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said the photographs may be shown in Dan Rather's report on 60 Minutes II, Wednesday at 8 p.m. ET/PT.
The discovery of the photographs by the Army led to an investigation which concluded that there were problems at the prison from the general in charge of the prison, to the military police guarding the prisoners. An investigation into abuse claims started in January, after a U.S. soldier came forward with allegations and evidence of abuse.
Kimmitt, in an interview conducted by satellite from Baghdad, told Correspondent Dan Rather: "We're appalled...these are our fellow soldiers, these are the people we work with every day, they represent us, they wear the same uniform as us, and they let their fellow soldiers down....We expect our soldiers to be treated well by the adversary, by the enemy...and if we can't hold ourselves up as an example of how to treat people with dignity and respect, we can't ask that other nations do that to our soldiers."
Kimmitt says even though charges have been filed against the six soldiers, a more general investigation continues into how prisoners are interrogated at the prison. One of the soldiers who is now facing court martial, Army Reserve Staff Sgt. Chip Frederick, described to Rather what he saw in the Iraqi prison.
"We had no support, no training whatsoever, and I kept asking my chain of command for certain things, rules and regulations, and it just wasn't happening," he said.
Frederick is charged with maltreatment, assault and indecent acts for posing for a photograph while sitting on top of a detainee, striking detainees and ordering detainees to strike each other, among other things.
Frederick wrote home to his family about the treatment of prisoners. He said in an e-mail: "We helped getting them to talk with the way we handle them. We've had a very high rate with our styles of getting them to break; they usually end up breaking within hours."
The pictures 60 Minutes II obtained show an Iraqi prisoner who, according to the U.S. Army, was told to stand on a box with his head covered and wires attached to his hands. That prisoner was told that if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted. In another photograph, prisoners' bodies were stacked in a pyramid - one body had a slur written in English on his skin.
Despite the charges against American soldiers, Kimmitt says Americans shouldn't lose faith in the military – since the investigation is focused on a small number of soldiers, and doesn't reflect the conduct of the vast majority of U.S. forces.
"Frankly, I think all of us are disappointed by the actions of the few," says Kimmitt. "Every day we love our soldiers but frankly, somedays we're not always proud of our soldiers...It's a small, small minority of people we're talking about here, less than a dozen out of the 150,000 who are serving honorably and proudly over here....The Army is a values-based organization. We live by our values. Some of our soldiers every day die by our values and these acts that you see in these pictures may reflect the actions of individuals but by God it doesn't reflect my army."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/27/60II/main614063.shtml
Message 12/147 29-Apr-04 @ 09:04 PM - RE:
Yeah, I do also know a few of them. They are great people and the fact that you can make such a generalized statement is insulting, in my opinion at least."
what exactly qualifies any of the statments made as "blind negativity" towards US soldiers?
Message 13/147 29-Apr-04 @ 10:10 PM - RE:
The US is an empire of evil, seeking destruction, resource consumption, and everybody's favorite: rape!
The 120,000 US troops stationed in Iraq are terrible people. The only reason why they are there is to get some sand-pussy and kill people for sport.
And finally just to clarify what was said above (I'm not making any more new points, I'm sick of dancetech political rallies)---
Its blind negativity. Stating a statistic then relating it to something that "could have happened" is bullshit. It didnt and until I hear about it, you're both wrong.
Message 14/147 29-Apr-04 @ 10:35 PM - RE:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1157344,00.html
US soldiers accused of raping 100 colleagues
Julian Borger in Washington
Friday February 27, 2004
The Guardian
The Pentagon has ordered an urgent inquiry into reports that more than 100 American women deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan have been raped or sexually assaulted by fellow soldiers, it emerged yesterday.
There have been 112 cases of sexual assault on women soldiers in units under central command, which oversees operations in the Middle East and central Asia, during the past 18 months. Meanwhile more than 20 women at an air force training base in Texas have told a local crisis centre they were assaulted in 2002.
If only half of the cases are confirmed it will be the worst rape scandal the US military has faced in nearly a decade.
how's that for justification of one's position?
Message 15/147 30-Apr-04 @ 03:54 AM - RE:
i mean for your age....you sure seem to act like you've even been around a block once.
and we know this just ain't so.
don't take it personally but explore and research more......spout less.
learn more.
Message 16/147 30-Apr-04 @ 05:28 AM - RE:
First off...was the US even in iraq in 2002?
And secondly, those statistics do not say anything about US soldiers raping iraqi women, what I asked for in the first place.
Message 17/147 30-Apr-04 @ 05:58 AM - RE:
and I'm not sure that you ever clearly stated that you thought either of us are implying that US soldiers are raping Iraqi women....
I know that I made a very clear distinction between US/US rape and the the state of mind of one who could do such things and think nothing of killing someone who isn't even american... I mean since "patriotism" is all the rage.
In addition, it clearly states in that article from the Guardian that those 100 rapes occured in Iraq and Afghanistan.
If you don't agree, then fine.. don't agree. your myopic postion holds water like a colander.
Message 18/147 30-Apr-04 @ 12:45 PM - RE:
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Rape, Pillage, Loot, Murder etc etc
I hate to say I told you so, but I'm going to anyways..
'Good people' ?
Message 19/147 30-Apr-04 @ 01:33 PM - RE:
Message 20/147 30-Apr-04 @ 02:17 PM - RE:
nicely put.
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