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Subject: 911 video manipulation/hologram
Original Message Date: 10-Mar-04 @ 09:59 AM - 911 video manipulation/hologram
The video showing the supposed crash of flight 175 into the south tower depicts the plane seemingly melting into the building, with absolutely no debris or explosion upon impact. View the following frames in succession at www.thewebfairy.org/911.... one can clearly see the 'plane' sliding into the building as if it were an apparition. One can only conclude, either the footage was doctored before release (live-video manipulation technology exists), or some type of military-grade was employed. Note: this is not a track of light and shadow, nor is this phenomenon exclusive to this video. The same effect appears in several different versions from varying angles.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/004.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/005.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/006.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/007.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/009.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/011.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/012.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/013.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/016.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/032.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/004.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/005.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/006.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/007.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/009.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/011.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/012.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/013.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/016.jpg
http://thewebfairy.com/911/ghostplane2/032.jpg
Message 41/57 11-Mar-04 @ 03:38 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
yeah in rocky four it turns out the real dolph lungren was over 10ft tall so they had to do all manner of forced perspective shots ala lord of the rings to make em look the same size.....conceptual nightmare!
hope k, entertaining though he was....im back off to the mpc forums to convince them that other musical genres exist outside hiphop
greg
hope k, entertaining though he was....im back off to the mpc forums to convince them that other musical genres exist outside hiphop
greg
Message 42/57 11-Mar-04 @ 03:39 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
i don't but into this guy's theory but we have to remember bush sr. was seen meeting iranian emissaries at a paris hotel on a day where an arms-for-hostages deal was being made...oh c. 1980.. and it wasn't giving weapons for our hostages' freedom either...but that they might REMAIN CAPTURED a little longer until the republicans got their guy reagan elected....all by simply making carter appear to be weak.
some would suggest that was implausible too.
but yeah...the jumbo-jets were efficient enough devices to not require holograms and nukes.
i do know bush was not behind the train-massacre in spain today though.
it's crazy to pretend our government is the only one capable of cruelty and violence in this world.
some would suggest that was implausible too.
but yeah...the jumbo-jets were efficient enough devices to not require holograms and nukes.
i do know bush was not behind the train-massacre in spain today though.
it's crazy to pretend our government is the only one capable of cruelty and violence in this world.
Message 43/57 11-Mar-04 @ 06:53 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
I don't mind admitting that I have looked quite closely at this stuff myself... just because it's a conspiracy nut theory doesn't mean it isn't true... but all of that said... I don't buy this crap... and I've really looked at it...
The whole thing comes from the images of the cock pit imbedded in the building but still intact... there's some good points to be made about how this is possible... and their are some answers.
When the twin towers were built a radical new design was implemented to accommodate the desire to make them reach so high... it relied on essentially building a frame from which the insides of the building would hang. this was a complex spiderweb of steel, NOT concrete. and at the higher levels of the building the distance between the girders is more than 15 feet. the inside of the buliding basicaly hangs from this skeleton. So the second plane just happened to hit somewhere in the middle of these girders... menaing at that speed, it pulverized glass, some mortar, and thin framing steel... not a surprise that the plane itself was fairly unscathed until the wing base hit a beam!!!
You see? These terrorist types aren't stupid. They studied the buildings, made educated aproximations of where the planes would need to hit for maximum damage and even charted theoretical models of the blast radius. It was the unique design of the WTC that allowed the fuel blast to channel down the tower and super heat the structure enough to cause a collapse. And the people that drove the planes in their knew it when they did it.
Now, if you want to have a real discussion about this sh+t there is a wealth of information out there, much of it very reliable that can lead even smart people to some harrowing conclusions about who might be ultimately responsible or just plain complicit in the damage done on 9-11.
But this video conspiracy is a crock.
e
The whole thing comes from the images of the cock pit imbedded in the building but still intact... there's some good points to be made about how this is possible... and their are some answers.
When the twin towers were built a radical new design was implemented to accommodate the desire to make them reach so high... it relied on essentially building a frame from which the insides of the building would hang. this was a complex spiderweb of steel, NOT concrete. and at the higher levels of the building the distance between the girders is more than 15 feet. the inside of the buliding basicaly hangs from this skeleton. So the second plane just happened to hit somewhere in the middle of these girders... menaing at that speed, it pulverized glass, some mortar, and thin framing steel... not a surprise that the plane itself was fairly unscathed until the wing base hit a beam!!!
You see? These terrorist types aren't stupid. They studied the buildings, made educated aproximations of where the planes would need to hit for maximum damage and even charted theoretical models of the blast radius. It was the unique design of the WTC that allowed the fuel blast to channel down the tower and super heat the structure enough to cause a collapse. And the people that drove the planes in their knew it when they did it.
Now, if you want to have a real discussion about this sh+t there is a wealth of information out there, much of it very reliable that can lead even smart people to some harrowing conclusions about who might be ultimately responsible or just plain complicit in the damage done on 9-11.
But this video conspiracy is a crock.
e
Message 44/57 11-Mar-04 @ 07:05 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
i cant believe you can be arsed to comment on this at all!
but yeah... modern skyscrapers are built with a concrete core which hosts elevartors, staircases and instalation ducts, and the rest is just a slim steel (or concrete) grid.which usually carries just a single floor and the facade.
but yeah... modern skyscrapers are built with a concrete core which hosts elevartors, staircases and instalation ducts, and the rest is just a slim steel (or concrete) grid.which usually carries just a single floor and the facade.
Message 45/57 11-Mar-04 @ 08:44 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
"neil armstrong walking on the moon, he turns round at one point and says 'good luck mr johnson', classic moment i tell thee"
yea it's classic. it might be nothing more than urban legend but the story goes
Neil Armstrong while on the moon was heard saying 'good luck mr. johnson'. He never answered over the years whenever asked about why he said that until a couple of years ago when he finally let the cat out of the bag. He told the story of when he was a kid playing ball with a friend in his back yard. The ball went into his neighbors yard and he went to get it. While picking the ball up near the neighbor's master bedroom he overheard mr. johnson trying to get head from his wife. With an angry tone to her voice she said to mr. johnson 'the day i do that will be the day that kid next door walks on the moon'.
classic
yea it's classic. it might be nothing more than urban legend but the story goes
Neil Armstrong while on the moon was heard saying 'good luck mr. johnson'. He never answered over the years whenever asked about why he said that until a couple of years ago when he finally let the cat out of the bag. He told the story of when he was a kid playing ball with a friend in his back yard. The ball went into his neighbors yard and he went to get it. While picking the ball up near the neighbor's master bedroom he overheard mr. johnson trying to get head from his wife. With an angry tone to her voice she said to mr. johnson 'the day i do that will be the day that kid next door walks on the moon'.
classic
Message 47/57 11-Mar-04 @ 11:57 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
REALLY?!?!?!?! oh man thats some funny shit!
Message 48/57 12-Mar-04 @ 12:47 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
"The whole thing comes from the images of the cock pit imbedded in the building but still
intact... there's some good points to be made about how this is possible... and their are
some answers. "
Well, not entirely. Everything from the winglets to the tail rudder remained perfectly intact
upon entering the structure--this is what made the impact somewhat anomalous for
many researchers.
"When the twin towers were built a radical new design was implemented to
accommodate the desire to make them reach so high... it relied on essentially building a
frame from which the insides of the building would hang. this was a complex spiderweb
of steel, NOT concrete. and at the higher levels of the building the distance between the
girders is more than 15 feet. the inside of the buliding basicaly hangs from this skeleton."
That's just flatly untrue. The main structural support component of the towers was a
central spindle that consisted of multiple steel columns, encased in concrete,
interspersed with dozens of elevator shafts (this comprised 25% of the floor area). The
floors themselves were constructed of slabs of concrete interlaid with webs of steel
trusses (radial trusses ran from the perimeter to the central spindle, and concentric
trusses connected the latter.) The 'skeleton' was the web-like outer perimeter of steel.
The central spine of steel columns bore most of the weight of the structure, while the
outer rim of closely-spaced steel columns stabilized the floors and held the trusses in
place. But the structure certainly doesn't 'hang from the skeleton.'
"So the second plane just happened to hit somewhere in the middle of these girders...
menaing at that speed, it pulverized glass, some mortar, and thin framing steel... not a
surprise that the plane itself was fairly unscathed until the wing base hit a beam!!!
"You see? These terrorist types aren't stupid. They studied the buildings, made educated
aproximations of where the planes would need to hit for maximum damage and even
charted theoretical models of the blast radius. It was the unique design of the WTC that
allowed the fuel blast to channel down the tower and super heat the structure enough to
cause a collapse. And the people that drove the planes in their knew it when they did it."
That's why I believe a closer examination of the collisions themselves is warranted. The
impact sites were just too fortuitous to chalk up to simple coincidence.
"Now, if you want to have a real discussion about this sh+t there is a wealth of
information out there, much of it very reliable that can lead even smart people to some
harrowing conclusions about who might be ultimately responsible or just plain complicit
in the damage done on 9-11.
But this video conspiracy is a crock.
e"
Well, I've read the wealth of information. And since it's basically been definitively proven
that a boeing 757 did NOT strike the western wall of the pentagon (try
physics911.org for a primer)...you then have to account for the missing plane or planes
(AA11 and UA175) somehow. I wasn't drawn to the video manipulation/hologram theory
on a whim.
intact... there's some good points to be made about how this is possible... and their are
some answers. "
Well, not entirely. Everything from the winglets to the tail rudder remained perfectly intact
upon entering the structure--this is what made the impact somewhat anomalous for
many researchers.
"When the twin towers were built a radical new design was implemented to
accommodate the desire to make them reach so high... it relied on essentially building a
frame from which the insides of the building would hang. this was a complex spiderweb
of steel, NOT concrete. and at the higher levels of the building the distance between the
girders is more than 15 feet. the inside of the buliding basicaly hangs from this skeleton."
That's just flatly untrue. The main structural support component of the towers was a
central spindle that consisted of multiple steel columns, encased in concrete,
interspersed with dozens of elevator shafts (this comprised 25% of the floor area). The
floors themselves were constructed of slabs of concrete interlaid with webs of steel
trusses (radial trusses ran from the perimeter to the central spindle, and concentric
trusses connected the latter.) The 'skeleton' was the web-like outer perimeter of steel.
The central spine of steel columns bore most of the weight of the structure, while the
outer rim of closely-spaced steel columns stabilized the floors and held the trusses in
place. But the structure certainly doesn't 'hang from the skeleton.'
"So the second plane just happened to hit somewhere in the middle of these girders...
menaing at that speed, it pulverized glass, some mortar, and thin framing steel... not a
surprise that the plane itself was fairly unscathed until the wing base hit a beam!!!
"You see? These terrorist types aren't stupid. They studied the buildings, made educated
aproximations of where the planes would need to hit for maximum damage and even
charted theoretical models of the blast radius. It was the unique design of the WTC that
allowed the fuel blast to channel down the tower and super heat the structure enough to
cause a collapse. And the people that drove the planes in their knew it when they did it."
That's why I believe a closer examination of the collisions themselves is warranted. The
impact sites were just too fortuitous to chalk up to simple coincidence.
"Now, if you want to have a real discussion about this sh+t there is a wealth of
information out there, much of it very reliable that can lead even smart people to some
harrowing conclusions about who might be ultimately responsible or just plain complicit
in the damage done on 9-11.
But this video conspiracy is a crock.
e"
Well, I've read the wealth of information. And since it's basically been definitively proven
that a boeing 757 did NOT strike the western wall of the pentagon (try
physics911.org for a primer)...you then have to account for the missing plane or planes
(AA11 and UA175) somehow. I wasn't drawn to the video manipulation/hologram theory
on a whim.
Message 49/57 12-Mar-04 @ 08:04 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
well....i believe it's safest to believe the president is a good man with the nicest intentions involved for the majority of mankind and that nothing dark occurs that is attritbutable to the cia or nro or any other body of the us government or that of great britain...not when people are asleep in their beds.
and of course they never had links with osama bin laden either.
which is why he's way totally beyond pissed-off.
and of course they never had links with osama bin laden either.
which is why he's way totally beyond pissed-off.
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