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Original Message 1/57 10-Mar-04 @ 09:59 AM - 911 video manipulation/hologram
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Message 3/57 10-Mar-04 @ 10:10 AM Edit: 10-Mar-04 | 10:11 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
"or some type of military-grade was employed"
was an expletive deleted? If not, this doesn't make sense. What are you saying.
Message 4/57 10-Mar-04 @ 10:20 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
perhaps it's just the consequence of a thousand tons of plane hitting a flimsy steel structure covered with bolt-on face-plates at cruising speed.
things dont IMPLODE outwardly, you probably watch too much action movies & were expecting a huge explosion John Woo style mebbe?
modern buldings like that are just a steel frame with bolted-on exterior plates, there's no bricks, or what have you
Message 5/57 10-Mar-04 @ 10:22 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
"or some type of military-grade was employed"
was an expletive deleted? If not, this doesn't make sense. What are you saying. "
I apologize. I meant to say "military-grade hologram." Possibly a cruise missile (AGM-86C) with an attached holographic projector.
Then again, a more conservative theory is that the video could have simply been doctored. But that begs the question, why was it doctored? And how could all of the networks possibly manage to depict a similar-looking plane doing a similarly anomalous maneuver, in so short a span of time. Perhaps the CIA distributed the 'official footage' for the networks in advance? But then why make it so shoddy?
All in all, what is depicted defies every known law of physics. A 757 going upwards of 500mph simply cannot effortlessly glide into a skyscraper, encountering absolutely no resistance, and incurring absolutely no damage to the cockpit, fuselage, or wings in the process.
Message 6/57 10-Mar-04 @ 10:32 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
perhaps it's just the consequence of a thousand tons of plane hitting a flimsy steel structure covered with bolt-on face-plates at cruising speed.
things dont IMPLODE outwardly, you probably watch too much action movies & were expecting a huge explosion John Woo style mebbe?
modern buldings like that are just a steel frame with bolted-on exterior plates, there's no bricks, or what have you "
Eh? "Bolt-on face plates" ? hardly. more like rows upon rows of reinforced steel and concrete. the plane should have either buckled or at least sustained considerable damage upon colliding with that kind of mass.
Also, the 'plane' was completely silhoutted in shadow when flying from the east. Footage taken in the direction of sunlight shows the plane completed shrouded in shadow (bear in mind there was nothing obstructing the incidence of light at that time) before it, miraculously, begins to illuminate before careening into the building.
Why does flight 175 appear translucent in the CNN footage?
Why does it depict a silver plane when all United Airlines craft are dark blue and grey?
Message 7/57 10-Mar-04 @ 10:38 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
well why not? the conspiracy theorists need something to keep em busy.....i mean why fake a moon landing? or why pretend the moon landing was fake?
greg
Message 8/57 10-Mar-04 @ 10:39 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
Well perhaps we weren't watching the same footage. Because there WAS a huge explosion, only it occurred 40 frames (most explosions occur 2 frames after impact) after the plane was immersed inside the building.
please explain what you mean by 'implode outwardly.'
Message 9/57 10-Mar-04 @ 10:44 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
well why not? the conspiracy theorists need something to keep em busy.....i mean why fake a moon landing? or why pretend the moon landing was fake?
greg "
well, no need for theories anymore. that 911 was an elaborate hoax has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt already. Anyone who's devoted more than a cursory glance at the inconsistencies in the official story has come to that conclusion.
I'd just like someone to provide a competent physical analysis of the second impact. To me, it beggars belief.
Message 10/57 10-Mar-04 @ 10:48 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
Message 11/57 10-Mar-04 @ 10:50 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
Message 12/57 10-Mar-04 @ 10:53 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
then there were lots of examples and the video of the event was lost
Message 13/57 10-Mar-04 @ 11:00 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
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well for a start the slow cruising speed isnt 500mph surely?... i mean 660mph is the speed of sound you nut, or are you saying a small domestic airliner slow cruises at over 3/4 the speed of sound in a non-thin air environment at around 1000 ft above sea level?.... I think you need to go and checkout exactly HOW a plane stays up in the air, and what the implications are for the air space around it... (a huge vacuum above the wing & behind the plane)
now how long is this plane?
350 ft?... 660mph is about 1116 ft/sec ... so lets say the plane entered the building in about .3 of a second....
You say:
"more like rows upon rows of reinforced steel and concrete. "
I disagree, modern buildings of that height are NOT rigid, they are actualy quite flimsy, and the spaces between floor girders arent covered with much more than glass plates and pre-fab exterior facings - remember the weight stress on a steeel frame of that height would be severe if it had to carry huge amounts of heavy structural material.
I disagree anyways,
i saw it live on TV, many people video cam'd it with hand helds. tens of thousands of people on the ground below saw it with their own eyes
sure, I can beleive the people who crashed it may be a conspiracy, but not this twaddle.
Message 14/57 10-Mar-04 @ 11:18 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
You're really rather condescending. But, yes, actually the cruising speed of a 757 is appx. 530mph. Top speed is over 600. It's my understanding that the plane was travelling considerably in excess of cruise speed before impact.
check http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34183,00.html for the specs.
"now how long is this plane? 350 ft"
Less than half that length. 169 ft.
[[You say:
"more like rows upon rows of reinforced steel and concrete. "
I disagree, modern buildings of that height are NOT rigid, they are actualy quite flimsy, and the spaces between floor girders arent covered with much more than glass plates and pre-fab exterior facings - remember the weight stress on a steeel frame of that height would be severe if it had to carry huge amounts of heavy structural material.]]
The above notwithstanding, the architects of the trade center specifically designed the towers to withstand the impact of a boeing 767-- not too flimsy.
"i saw it live on TV, many people video cam'd it with hand helds. tens of thousands of people on the ground below saw it with their own eyes"
Less than a handful of amateur tapes have surfaced. And there is absolutely no consensus as to what those "tens of thousands of people" actually saw. Some even claim they saw a smaller, drone-like plane. And how can we actually accept eye-witness testimony at such an understandably frenzied time? I sincerely doubt the average bystander would be able to distinguish between a passenger jet, a drone, or a hologram when the towers are ablaze and people are screaming bloody murder.
Message 15/57 10-Mar-04 @ 11:25 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
Message 16/57 10-Mar-04 @ 12:18 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
yeah thats what they said about the moon landing...........
greg
Message 17/57 10-Mar-04 @ 12:31 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
yeah thats what they said about the moon landing..........."
I understand. and I do realize I'm generalizing...but there are just great gaping holes in the establishment's story that have yet to be accounted for. Until they are, I can't help but believe it was at least partly orchestrated by the government.
Message 18/57 10-Mar-04 @ 12:38 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
bu hey popular imaginging hey
Message 19/57 10-Mar-04 @ 12:42 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
you can find motives for anything....solid proof is often harder to find which is why conspiracy theories remain as theories and not facts...
greg
Message 20/57 10-Mar-04 @ 01:32 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
call the public
Message 21/57 10-Mar-04 @ 02:51 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
i was thinking on my automatic drummer plugin ideas again yesterday, andrealised you're the only person i've seen who has thought towards rhythm as an assemblage of patterns, ie. ideas that would be useful for implementing code for drumming styles..
just wanted to point that out, in case you ever are thinknig about it in the level just above connecting triplets et c. would love to implement that..
Message 22/57 10-Mar-04 @ 03:05 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
wouldnt someone discover the disparity between the time of impact as witnessed by people in the vacinity and the time of broadcast
also to perform such a hoax would mean people in the Tv stations would have to be party to this plan IN ADVANCE.
"sAY.... WE'RE GOING TO RUN A COUPLE OF COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS INTO SOME BUILDINGS NEXT MONTH, AND WE WERE WONDERING IF YOUR ENTIRE BROADCAST DEPARTMENT WOULD LIKE TO COME IN ON THIS AND KILL THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE"
Whoops, sorry about the caps, cant be arsed to re-type it.
and ALL those people working on the tv news etc agreed and also just shutup?
or are you saying it was done at sattalite stage by 'covert forces' ?
think about the LOGIC of what you're saying
would it be EASIER to simply get two planes and crash them, or perform some huge conspiracy invloving un-specified 'drone' craft, a TV cover-up etc?
I mean which sounds more plausible? - even IF the government forces were involved, still it doesnt warrant anything more than using two commercial airliners surely?
why would they go to all this ludicrous trouble when they could simply get two planes and crash them?
Message 23/57 10-Mar-04 @ 03:08 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
anyways, my comments above really is surely pertinent?
do you think such a rediculously elaborate thing as you propose would be do-able? or even sensible, even IN a conspiracy?
Message 24/57 10-Mar-04 @ 03:21 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
im sure there was a similar article at urban-myths.com.....
greg
Message 25/57 10-Mar-04 @ 07:42 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
Message 26/57 10-Mar-04 @ 10:08 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
look here or there, where your standing, theories as tennis going from here to there. whatever, if the hand is moving then look at diametrically opposed counter direction?
talk about conspiracy theories. I was listening to my personal stereo on the bus when the batteries ran out so i was listening away with the headphones still on and they really were talking about me
Message 27/57 10-Mar-04 @ 10:31 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
Message 28/57 11-Mar-04 @ 03:18 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
Message 29/57 11-Mar-04 @ 04:53 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
Buckling fuselage??? Here's a theory for you. THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE. Nobody has ever seen the real thing. Until 911 nobody knew what a airliner crashing into a skyscraper would look like. Not even computer models can realize the detail of an event that has never actually happened. Stop watching so much godamn television or movies or whatever the fuck it is that compels you to pursue such a line of bullshit. Why don't you take the amount of time it takes to come up with this crap and do something to improve what's in your own backyard? You own community. Surely there is some corruption in your local government that you can uncover. Considering your ability to tackle the 911 conspiracy hometown corruption should be a cakewalk.
Drone planes??? You fuckwit. I don't mind being reminded of what happened but not for nonsense such as this.
Message 30/57 11-Mar-04 @ 04:55 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
Message 31/57 11-Mar-04 @ 05:36 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
Duh!
(PS: People like you shouldn't reproduce. Get em whacked and pickled- makes a nice centerpiece for easter)
Message 32/57 11-Mar-04 @ 07:28 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
eat THAT!
put this guy down in the top 10 nutcases shortlist
Message 33/57 11-Mar-04 @ 09:48 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
greg
Message 34/57 11-Mar-04 @ 12:24 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
Errm unless all actor people types are like 7-12cm tall....
help
Message 35/57 11-Mar-04 @ 12:30 PM Edit: 11-Mar-04 | 12:31 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
I still love the story about Neil Armstrong saying "Good luck Mr. Johnson" while walking on the moon.
you guys remember that one?
Message 37/57 11-Mar-04 @ 02:01 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
greg
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Message 38/57 11-Mar-04 @ 02:45 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
mmmm... big rockets
Message 39/57 11-Mar-04 @ 03:13 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
they had to make special guns for him so they didnt look rediculously large on camera when he wielded them.
and Sylvester Stallone is well known to be only 15 cm tall - In Rocky they used a holographic GI Joe doll as his opponent doncha know!
Message 41/57 11-Mar-04 @ 03:38 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
hope k, entertaining though he was....im back off to the mpc forums to convince them that other musical genres exist outside hiphop
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greg
Message 42/57 11-Mar-04 @ 03:39 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
some would suggest that was implausible too.
but yeah...the jumbo-jets were efficient enough devices to not require holograms and nukes.
i do know bush was not behind the train-massacre in spain today though.
it's crazy to pretend our government is the only one capable of cruelty and violence in this world.
Message 43/57 11-Mar-04 @ 06:53 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
The whole thing comes from the images of the cock pit imbedded in the building but still intact... there's some good points to be made about how this is possible... and their are some answers.
When the twin towers were built a radical new design was implemented to accommodate the desire to make them reach so high... it relied on essentially building a frame from which the insides of the building would hang. this was a complex spiderweb of steel, NOT concrete. and at the higher levels of the building the distance between the girders is more than 15 feet. the inside of the buliding basicaly hangs from this skeleton. So the second plane just happened to hit somewhere in the middle of these girders... menaing at that speed, it pulverized glass, some mortar, and thin framing steel... not a surprise that the plane itself was fairly unscathed until the wing base hit a beam!!!
You see? These terrorist types aren't stupid. They studied the buildings, made educated aproximations of where the planes would need to hit for maximum damage and even charted theoretical models of the blast radius. It was the unique design of the WTC that allowed the fuel blast to channel down the tower and super heat the structure enough to cause a collapse. And the people that drove the planes in their knew it when they did it.
Now, if you want to have a real discussion about this sh+t there is a wealth of information out there, much of it very reliable that can lead even smart people to some harrowing conclusions about who might be ultimately responsible or just plain complicit in the damage done on 9-11.
But this video conspiracy is a crock.
e
Message 44/57 11-Mar-04 @ 07:05 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
but yeah... modern skyscrapers are built with a concrete core which hosts elevartors, staircases and instalation ducts, and the rest is just a slim steel (or concrete) grid.which usually carries just a single floor and the facade.
Message 45/57 11-Mar-04 @ 08:44 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
yea it's classic. it might be nothing more than urban legend but the story goes
Neil Armstrong while on the moon was heard saying 'good luck mr. johnson'. He never answered over the years whenever asked about why he said that until a couple of years ago when he finally let the cat out of the bag. He told the story of when he was a kid playing ball with a friend in his back yard. The ball went into his neighbors yard and he went to get it. While picking the ball up near the neighbor's master bedroom he overheard mr. johnson trying to get head from his wife. With an angry tone to her voice she said to mr. johnson 'the day i do that will be the day that kid next door walks on the moon'.
classic
Message 47/57 11-Mar-04 @ 11:57 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
Message 48/57 12-Mar-04 @ 12:47 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
intact... there's some good points to be made about how this is possible... and their are
some answers. "
Well, not entirely. Everything from the winglets to the tail rudder remained perfectly intact
upon entering the structure--this is what made the impact somewhat anomalous for
many researchers.
"When the twin towers were built a radical new design was implemented to
accommodate the desire to make them reach so high... it relied on essentially building a
frame from which the insides of the building would hang. this was a complex spiderweb
of steel, NOT concrete. and at the higher levels of the building the distance between the
girders is more than 15 feet. the inside of the buliding basicaly hangs from this skeleton."
That's just flatly untrue. The main structural support component of the towers was a
central spindle that consisted of multiple steel columns, encased in concrete,
interspersed with dozens of elevator shafts (this comprised 25% of the floor area). The
floors themselves were constructed of slabs of concrete interlaid with webs of steel
trusses (radial trusses ran from the perimeter to the central spindle, and concentric
trusses connected the latter.) The 'skeleton' was the web-like outer perimeter of steel.
The central spine of steel columns bore most of the weight of the structure, while the
outer rim of closely-spaced steel columns stabilized the floors and held the trusses in
place. But the structure certainly doesn't 'hang from the skeleton.'
"So the second plane just happened to hit somewhere in the middle of these girders...
menaing at that speed, it pulverized glass, some mortar, and thin framing steel... not a
surprise that the plane itself was fairly unscathed until the wing base hit a beam!!!
"You see? These terrorist types aren't stupid. They studied the buildings, made educated
aproximations of where the planes would need to hit for maximum damage and even
charted theoretical models of the blast radius. It was the unique design of the WTC that
allowed the fuel blast to channel down the tower and super heat the structure enough to
cause a collapse. And the people that drove the planes in their knew it when they did it."
That's why I believe a closer examination of the collisions themselves is warranted. The
impact sites were just too fortuitous to chalk up to simple coincidence.
"Now, if you want to have a real discussion about this sh+t there is a wealth of
information out there, much of it very reliable that can lead even smart people to some
harrowing conclusions about who might be ultimately responsible or just plain complicit
in the damage done on 9-11.
But this video conspiracy is a crock.
e"
Well, I've read the wealth of information. And since it's basically been definitively proven
that a boeing 757 did NOT strike the western wall of the pentagon (try
physics911.org for a primer)...you then have to account for the missing plane or planes
(AA11 and UA175) somehow. I wasn't drawn to the video manipulation/hologram theory
on a whim.
Message 49/57 12-Mar-04 @ 08:04 AM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
and of course they never had links with osama bin laden either.
which is why he's way totally beyond pissed-off.
Message 51/57 12-Mar-04 @ 02:36 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
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Message 52/57 12-Mar-04 @ 04:00 PM - RE: 911 video manipulation/hologram
or do the spanish not have holograms?
greg
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