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Original Message Date: 28-Apr-04 @ 09:41 PM Edit: 28-Apr-04 | 09:42 PM - "I didn't know you couldn't.......
...punch POWs in the face!?!"
this is absurd! what kind of fucking dolts do we have in the military anyhow?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/27/60II/main614063.shtml
this is absurd! what kind of fucking dolts do we have in the military anyhow?
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Abuse Of Iraqi Prisoners Probed
April 28, 2004
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt tells Dan Rather he is "appalled" by what happened in a Baghdad prison.
"If we can't hold ourselves up as an example of how to treat people with dignity and respect, we can't ask that other nations do that to our soldiers."
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt
Army Reserve Staff Sgt. Chip Frederick, one of the soldiers now facing court martial, described to Rather what he saw in the Iraqi prison. (Photo: Staff Sgt. Chip Frederick )
(CBS) A few weeks ago, the U.S. Army announced that 17 soldiers in Iraq had been removed from duty, and six of them were facing court martial for mistreating Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib, the infamous prison where Saddam Hussein and his henchmen tortured and executed Iraqis for decades.
60 Minutes II has obtained photographs of what was happening in Abu Ghraib. The photos show American soldiers mistreating Iraqi prisoners.
In his Wednesday morning briefing, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said the photographs may be shown in Dan Rather's report on 60 Minutes II, Wednesday at 8 p.m. ET/PT.
The discovery of the photographs by the Army led to an investigation which concluded that there were problems at the prison from the general in charge of the prison, to the military police guarding the prisoners. An investigation into abuse claims started in January, after a U.S. soldier came forward with allegations and evidence of abuse.
Kimmitt, in an interview conducted by satellite from Baghdad, told Correspondent Dan Rather: "We're appalled...these are our fellow soldiers, these are the people we work with every day, they represent us, they wear the same uniform as us, and they let their fellow soldiers down....We expect our soldiers to be treated well by the adversary, by the enemy...and if we can't hold ourselves up as an example of how to treat people with dignity and respect, we can't ask that other nations do that to our soldiers."
Kimmitt says even though charges have been filed against the six soldiers, a more general investigation continues into how prisoners are interrogated at the prison. One of the soldiers who is now facing court martial, Army Reserve Staff Sgt. Chip Frederick, described to Rather what he saw in the Iraqi prison.
"We had no support, no training whatsoever, and I kept asking my chain of command for certain things, rules and regulations, and it just wasn't happening," he said.
Frederick is charged with maltreatment, assault and indecent acts for posing for a photograph while sitting on top of a detainee, striking detainees and ordering detainees to strike each other, among other things.
Frederick wrote home to his family about the treatment of prisoners. He said in an e-mail: "We helped getting them to talk with the way we handle them. We've had a very high rate with our styles of getting them to break; they usually end up breaking within hours."
The pictures 60 Minutes II obtained show an Iraqi prisoner who, according to the U.S. Army, was told to stand on a box with his head covered and wires attached to his hands. That prisoner was told that if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted. In another photograph, prisoners' bodies were stacked in a pyramid - one body had a slur written in English on his skin.
Despite the charges against American soldiers, Kimmitt says Americans shouldn't lose faith in the military – since the investigation is focused on a small number of soldiers, and doesn't reflect the conduct of the vast majority of U.S. forces.
"Frankly, I think all of us are disappointed by the actions of the few," says Kimmitt. "Every day we love our soldiers but frankly, somedays we're not always proud of our soldiers...It's a small, small minority of people we're talking about here, less than a dozen out of the 150,000 who are serving honorably and proudly over here....The Army is a values-based organization. We live by our values. Some of our soldiers every day die by our values and these acts that you see in these pictures may reflect the actions of individuals but by God it doesn't reflect my army."
Abuse Of Iraqi Prisoners Probed
April 28, 2004
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt tells Dan Rather he is "appalled" by what happened in a Baghdad prison.
"If we can't hold ourselves up as an example of how to treat people with dignity and respect, we can't ask that other nations do that to our soldiers."
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt
Army Reserve Staff Sgt. Chip Frederick, one of the soldiers now facing court martial, described to Rather what he saw in the Iraqi prison. (Photo: Staff Sgt. Chip Frederick )
(CBS) A few weeks ago, the U.S. Army announced that 17 soldiers in Iraq had been removed from duty, and six of them were facing court martial for mistreating Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib, the infamous prison where Saddam Hussein and his henchmen tortured and executed Iraqis for decades.
60 Minutes II has obtained photographs of what was happening in Abu Ghraib. The photos show American soldiers mistreating Iraqi prisoners.
In his Wednesday morning briefing, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said the photographs may be shown in Dan Rather's report on 60 Minutes II, Wednesday at 8 p.m. ET/PT.
The discovery of the photographs by the Army led to an investigation which concluded that there were problems at the prison from the general in charge of the prison, to the military police guarding the prisoners. An investigation into abuse claims started in January, after a U.S. soldier came forward with allegations and evidence of abuse.
Kimmitt, in an interview conducted by satellite from Baghdad, told Correspondent Dan Rather: "We're appalled...these are our fellow soldiers, these are the people we work with every day, they represent us, they wear the same uniform as us, and they let their fellow soldiers down....We expect our soldiers to be treated well by the adversary, by the enemy...and if we can't hold ourselves up as an example of how to treat people with dignity and respect, we can't ask that other nations do that to our soldiers."
Kimmitt says even though charges have been filed against the six soldiers, a more general investigation continues into how prisoners are interrogated at the prison. One of the soldiers who is now facing court martial, Army Reserve Staff Sgt. Chip Frederick, described to Rather what he saw in the Iraqi prison.
"We had no support, no training whatsoever, and I kept asking my chain of command for certain things, rules and regulations, and it just wasn't happening," he said.
Frederick is charged with maltreatment, assault and indecent acts for posing for a photograph while sitting on top of a detainee, striking detainees and ordering detainees to strike each other, among other things.
Frederick wrote home to his family about the treatment of prisoners. He said in an e-mail: "We helped getting them to talk with the way we handle them. We've had a very high rate with our styles of getting them to break; they usually end up breaking within hours."
The pictures 60 Minutes II obtained show an Iraqi prisoner who, according to the U.S. Army, was told to stand on a box with his head covered and wires attached to his hands. That prisoner was told that if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted. In another photograph, prisoners' bodies were stacked in a pyramid - one body had a slur written in English on his skin.
Despite the charges against American soldiers, Kimmitt says Americans shouldn't lose faith in the military – since the investigation is focused on a small number of soldiers, and doesn't reflect the conduct of the vast majority of U.S. forces.
"Frankly, I think all of us are disappointed by the actions of the few," says Kimmitt. "Every day we love our soldiers but frankly, somedays we're not always proud of our soldiers...It's a small, small minority of people we're talking about here, less than a dozen out of the 150,000 who are serving honorably and proudly over here....The Army is a values-based organization. We live by our values. Some of our soldiers every day die by our values and these acts that you see in these pictures may reflect the actions of individuals but by God it doesn't reflect my army."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/27/60II/main614063.shtml
Message 61/147 03-May-04 @ 02:03 AM - RE:
AND...by the way...the last article i posted a link for can even be found at navyseals.com.
another left-wing puke organization which is involved
in the dissimenation of lies designed to tear our nation down.
a rEALLY BAD attitude that lot.
another left-wing puke organization which is involved
in the dissimenation of lies designed to tear our nation down.
a rEALLY BAD attitude that lot.
Message 62/147 03-May-04 @ 08:00 AM - RE:
I kinda dig Michael Moore, but I can't take him seriously...
that said...
Michael Moore doesn't use his fame to preach, he got famous preaching. He's not some entertainer thta's abusing his fame, it's WHY he's famous.
So, you're yapping up the wrong tree.
it's too friggin' easy to support/condemn and pretend you're right! Ulitmately we're all right... and it doesn't f+ckin' matter. I own clothing made by little suffering children from countries I'll never visit... some of you own vehicles with deliberately innefecient engines... others are just following orders in Iraq... and still others are issuing those orders because (just like all of us yapping here) they think they know what's best.
it's horrible that you guys have at any point here condescended to pick on BS because he's a "kid"... how can he hope to have a conversation on that level? It's not possible... you open it with, I don't respect your virgin opinion.
I'm going to go back to sitting on my sofa and watching the news so I can figure out who the bad guys are... that way I can continue to prop up this dichotomy fiction that serves to make me feel superior to people who don't meet my expectations...
me me me mine mine mine... I think I think I think
piss and shit and worthless...
I am at war with war. I hate the hate. I judge the judgers.
I am the problem
e
that said...
Michael Moore doesn't use his fame to preach, he got famous preaching. He's not some entertainer thta's abusing his fame, it's WHY he's famous.
So, you're yapping up the wrong tree.
it's too friggin' easy to support/condemn and pretend you're right! Ulitmately we're all right... and it doesn't f+ckin' matter. I own clothing made by little suffering children from countries I'll never visit... some of you own vehicles with deliberately innefecient engines... others are just following orders in Iraq... and still others are issuing those orders because (just like all of us yapping here) they think they know what's best.
it's horrible that you guys have at any point here condescended to pick on BS because he's a "kid"... how can he hope to have a conversation on that level? It's not possible... you open it with, I don't respect your virgin opinion.
I'm going to go back to sitting on my sofa and watching the news so I can figure out who the bad guys are... that way I can continue to prop up this dichotomy fiction that serves to make me feel superior to people who don't meet my expectations...
me me me mine mine mine... I think I think I think
piss and shit and worthless...
I am at war with war. I hate the hate. I judge the judgers.
I am the problem
e
Message 63/147 03-May-04 @ 09:40 AM - RE:
at last we know the truth e.
anyway I thought the young started left wing and got more right wing as they got older/richer etc. At this rate BS will be campaining for a one person world when he hits 50 - and if George doesn't make a start on the environment he may get what he wishes.
No really BS you are exactly the person we need to influence, we are all washed out fucknicks peddaling our lifestyles harder off the edge cos we is past it, but you are some one who could become something and it is into you that we should instill an ability for calm respect and compassionate wisdom. Me? I say fuck you - you've had more than enough and its exactly that special treatment that keeps this whole boat floating. Give it all away BS, its the only way to know that you have achieved anything
anyway I thought the young started left wing and got more right wing as they got older/richer etc. At this rate BS will be campaining for a one person world when he hits 50 - and if George doesn't make a start on the environment he may get what he wishes.
No really BS you are exactly the person we need to influence, we are all washed out fucknicks peddaling our lifestyles harder off the edge cos we is past it, but you are some one who could become something and it is into you that we should instill an ability for calm respect and compassionate wisdom. Me? I say fuck you - you've had more than enough and its exactly that special treatment that keeps this whole boat floating. Give it all away BS, its the only way to know that you have achieved anything
Message 64/147 03-May-04 @ 03:28 PM - RE:
Message 65/147 03-May-04 @ 09:13 PM - RE:
here's something fun and irreverent for our light-hearted little monkeys.
web-link
the pictures towards the bottom should be of interest.
web-link
the pictures towards the bottom should be of interest.
Message 66/147 03-May-04 @ 11:14 PM - RE:
clay- the validity of the last few pictures are kinda sketchy. Also, why dont they have any descriptions/comments as they do for all the other ones?
Message 68/147 04-May-04 @ 12:06 AM - RE:
i predict that, as we speak.....the military is confiscating every camera in the hands of our soldiers in iraq.
it's reasonable to suggest that our government loathes the press enough without allowing our own warriors to unwittingly become accomplices to this vile exposure of our own worst behaviors.
these things should definitely occur behind closed doors.....away
from the eye of any camera.
fix that and we'll have fewer problems taming the iraqis
as well as our own american public.
it'll simply be like a rock concert. no cameras or tape recorders allowed.
it's reasonable to suggest that our government loathes the press enough without allowing our own warriors to unwittingly become accomplices to this vile exposure of our own worst behaviors.
these things should definitely occur behind closed doors.....away
from the eye of any camera.
fix that and we'll have fewer problems taming the iraqis
as well as our own american public.
it'll simply be like a rock concert. no cameras or tape recorders allowed.
Message 69/147 04-May-04 @ 02:31 AM - RE:
I give up, i obviously cant say anything productive due to my lack of age. i'll go read my chemistry book.
Message 70/147 04-May-04 @ 02:57 AM - RE:
btw! my last post was 69!!!!1!!1
OMFG
i cant wait to tell my friends at skool
LOL jesus christ, take your condescending attitude and cram it in your ass clay. seriously, totally unappreciated. you're not being clever, you're being a dick.
I had to get that out of my system.
There, I'm not smiling, It's a half smile.
OMFG
i cant wait to tell my friends at skool
LOL jesus christ, take your condescending attitude and cram it in your ass clay. seriously, totally unappreciated. you're not being clever, you're being a dick.
I had to get that out of my system.
There, I'm not smiling, It's a half smile.
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