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Original Message 1/23 25-Jul-00 @ 07:06 AM - help for a hobbyist
thank you.
-David.
Message 2/23 25-Jul-00 @ 08:20 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
The story will never end
Message 3/23 25-Jul-00 @ 10:08 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
Message 4/23 25-Jul-00 @ 03:15 PM - RE: help for a hobbyist
-david
Message 5/23 26-Jul-00 @ 06:21 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
Mixing desk - behringer mx1602 - for under 200 quid
erm.. get fruity loops pro to start with because it's simple but also it's deep.. it will take you through all the things you'll find on professional samplers.. and more. and if you buy a sampler fruity loops is still usefull for creating loops.
it's a good place to start.
Message 6/23 26-Jul-00 @ 09:42 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
-david
Message 7/23 26-Jul-00 @ 09:51 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
1. Budget.
2. Experience.
3. Are you PC based or h/w based.
4. Existing equipment.
5. What kind of homework have your already done.
6. What type of exposure have you had to this type of equipment.
I think you've been looking in the wrong forum...
Message 8/23 26-Jul-00 @ 11:47 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
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'help for a hobbyist'
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ddeshetler@vcdss.org - 25-Jul-00
bante - 25-Jul-00
Solid Algoriddim - 25-Jul-00
ddeshetler@vcdss.org - 25-Jul-00
Jasper - 26-Jul-00
ddeshetler@vcdss.org - 26-Jul-00
Defector Z - 26-Jul-00
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help for a hobbyist
From: ddeshetler@vcdss.org
Date: 25-Jul-00
I have been reading through the different topics in this forum and have seen that mostly there are arguements and disagreements. If some of you could, without cursing at one another, please help me out, I would be much obliged. I have found a great interest in music, more specifically trance, drum and bass, remixes, etc. I am interested only in doing this as a hobby but, as a hobby am willing to spend a pretty decent sum (by my inexperienced standards) to have fun doing this. If you could, let me know some good equipment and/or software for doing this. Im not interested in doing clubs, or live gigs, just screwing around at my house.
thank you.
-David.
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RE: help for a hobbyist
From: bante
Date: 25-Jul-00
Well, i think u should start with a workstation, like Trinity, or ( the better yet? ) Triton. U get all u need in these digisynths, i e basses, drumkits, pads, strings, pianos, and not so good analog imitations. And when you got the money, u just buy a gear which has the sound the workstation misses ( and the ones U want of course ) And then you need a mixer....
The story will never end
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RE: help for a hobbyist
From: Solid Algoriddim
Date: 25-Jul-00
My story is i just started playing with the Software rebirth and fell in love with filters. now rebirth is so advanced that it is absolutely amazing all the things it can do now. try Rebirth at www.propellerheads.com but if you wnat the real-deal-hands-on-feel ( which is what i eventually said) get a workstation, like that guy said. My first somewhat all-in-one unit was the MC-505, and it is great for that. If you are real computer oriented you might want to go the sampler route, the internet being an unlimited resource for samples and drum loops!
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RE: help for a hobbyist
From: ddeshetler@vcdss.org
Date: 25-Jul-00
Thank you both. I have just one more, semi-important question. What is the cost of these new? an estimate on them used? etc...I like the idea of hands-on better than simply computer software, although, I will probably try a little of both to see which fits me best.
-david
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RE: help for a hobbyist
From: Jasper
Date: 26-Jul-00
Sampler - a3000 new for 600 quid.
Mixing desk - behringer mx1602 - for under 200 quid
erm.. get fruity loops pro to start with because it's simple but also it's deep.. it will take you through all the things you'll find on professional samplers.. and more. and if you buy a sampler fruity loops is still usefull for creating loops.
it's a good place to start.
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RE: help for a hobbyist
From: ddeshetler@vcdss.org
Date: 26-Jul-00
thanks alot...Ill look around and see if I can find those locally first, then if not, over the internet shopping I go.
-david
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RE: help for a hobbyist
From: Defector Z
Date: 26-Jul-00
This question comes up quite a bit and there are a standard sort of questions that you need to answer.
1. Budget.
somewhere 'twixt $1000 and 3000$
2. Experience.
not a lick.
3. Are you PC based or h/w based.
probably going to be PC based for a while because it is a cheaper way of learning a little about mixing and creating the music I want to, giving me a feel for the scene before I go delving in past my budget.
4. Existing equipment.
heh...counting my computer? 1.
5. What kind of homework have your already done.
this is part of it. I have looked wherever I could find articles about equipment, Ive emailed different people with experience and asked them to help me get on the write track. Ive subscribed to several ezines, magazines and newsletters about making music using equipment such as mixers and samplers, etc. and while I dont fully understand everything they are talking about yet, I will catch on before long.
6. What type of exposure have you had to this type of equipment.
none at the moment. Im going to try and weasel my way into a local recording studio or friends house for some practice and learning experience.
Message 9/23 26-Jul-00 @ 11:49 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
-david
Message 10/23 26-Jul-00 @ 02:17 PM - RE: help for a hobbyist
Korg N364 - synth
Cubase VST 3.5 (at the time)
Rebirth (soft synth/drum machine)
Mackie 1202vlz (mixer)
Event 20/20p's (studio monitors)
Event Darla (soundcard)
and cords to make it work
I think I started with a good setup - more than many. The point is, for your budget, you have a lot of options.
What are the specs of your PC? Do you have a soundcard?
Message 11/23 27-Jul-00 @ 04:57 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
Message 12/23 27-Jul-00 @ 05:34 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
My PC is about ot get replaced, by what, Im not sure at the moment. The computer I am using right now is a temp replacement for the one that got hit by lightening a couple of weeks ago. I want to get a pIII, but Im not sure what processor Im going to get. Atleast 64 meg, I want something more, but most likely an 8gig HD, CD?CD-r, etc.
well...as for the type of music I want to make, something fast, hard and pounding. But, I dont want to block my self in there. I still would like, (when mood permits) to make something a little more on the quiet side. I have a fascination with all music styles, so forgive me if I cant exactly pinpoint the style I want to lock myself into.
Message 13/23 27-Jul-00 @ 08:07 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
the microwave2 - around 400 or cheaper 2nd hand.. it has tons of depth and the tonal character can be nice to evil.. it's digital so it has that sort of sharp edge to it.. however it can also be flabby and loose it depends on your preference..
in comparison to the yamaha an1x.. I couldn't get anything but trance out of this.. I tried and tried and gave up and sold it.
honestly... go for fruity loops pro.. at 100 quid.. I am dead impressed with this.. download the latest (save disabled) demo to check it out.. but I'm considering buying it to work along side my sampler etc.. it's great for creating loops quickly and tidily.
Message 14/23 27-Jul-00 @ 08:19 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
Do you have a soundcard attached to your current pc? Will you be getting one? Would you prefer hardware over software?
Do you have any music background?
Honestly, grab a PC, a soundcard and get as much freeware (synths, drum machines, etc.) as you can and play. Consider investing in Rebirth and learn to use that. It's $150 (new, I think) and will give you good exposure to programming rhythms and such. There are lots of softsynths out there as well. Use those. You won't be spending much early, but it sounds like you have a long to go. Especially if you have no musical background.
good starting h/w synths are Yamaha CS1X, Yamaha AN1X, any of the Roland XP synths. Check out the RM1X, too. It's a good an all-in-one as you can get, and you won't want to replace it. Ever. The sequencer is top-notch and the synth in it is a nice bonus. You can always expand, as well. Actually, do that. Get an RM1X. You'll learn sequencing, you have a few options for programming synth sounds, you can expose yourself (heh-heh) to fx (as it has fx built in and you can route the fx in different ways) and the sounds are decent. Once you've learned that, you can add on.
Message 15/23 27-Jul-00 @ 08:28 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
yes, a have a soundcard, and will be getting a better one in the next computer hopefully. Any suggestions on that?
as for the hardware, software thing, I like the idea of the software as you both seem to have agreed on it. now if you can both agree on a program for me to buy. I will be downloading demos, I already have several...(about 300 megs worth) I have yet to try them out though as they are still here at work.
which do you two prefer? hardware or software? and which do you two think is best for some one in my situation? Ive never had any experience in either, so, Im quite the blank when it comes to trying to decide. Pro's and Con's?
thanks, and keep posting.
-david.
Message 16/23 27-Jul-00 @ 08:43 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
some one I know, that I mentioned I was looking into music making, wants to sell me a Korg X5 synth. Now, neither of you mentioned Korg in the machines tou recommended to me, but, it appears to be in pretty good shape, and he swears its a good price. Ofcourse, being the careful (sometimes..) person I am, I decided to ask you two. he wants 250 for it. dollars that is. let me know.
thanks
david.
Message 17/23 27-Jul-00 @ 08:49 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
I prefer hardware, it is more immediate, it is more stable, it is more portable (I can bring my RM1X on trips with me but I can't bring my PC). But don't listen to us. Go to a music store and hear for yourself. Of course this person you know if going to tell you the X5 is good - he's trying to sell it to you!!!
But s/w is cheaper. If you like cracks, it can be free. Use those a little before you buy anything else. get used to putting music together this way.
Listen to any of the Roland XP's. They have sequencers and can be considered workstations. Try the MC505 as well - taht is a synth/sequencer. You get that instead of the RM1X - they do the same thing in different ways.
Message 18/23 27-Jul-00 @ 09:00 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
arent those "Illegal" ?? heh...
I will do that, and yeah, ofcourse he is trying to sell it to me, but some salesmen actually tell the truth. But I will go by Mars or Music Central and check out those synths and see what I think.
Not much where I live, I have to travel an hour to Raliegh to look.
up a bit early arent you? If I had my way, Id still be asleep.
-david
Message 19/23 27-Jul-00 @ 09:22 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
Go to the store and try the synths. Don't trust a salesman, especially in a bigger store. Chances are he doesn't know the difference between a sampler and a smapler. :-) The guitar center dude tried to tell me the RM1X didn't have any drum kits in (I knew it had 46 because I read the brochure, unlike him) and he tried to tell me I couldn't write my own music on it. So no, don't listen to the chain store sales people. Unless you know them from outside the store. Trust me on this one - I have no vested interest here.
If you have to travel so far (I have to travel even farther to get a decent store...), make a day of it. Take a note pad, (with notes on it already - specs and such), play and take notes. Have fun. Spend the day. Before hand, d/l the manuals from the stuff you want to try, and call ahead to make sure they have the instruments on display. No sense driving all the way there to play an RM1X when they don't have one on the floor to play with.
But before you do that, download the manuals, and if you need to, bring a section with you. And don't listen to the sales people. Chances are, they don't know what they are talking about.
Message 20/23 27-Jul-00 @ 09:36 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
I will do that, maybe this weekend. to bad some one like you doesnt live around here, could go and help me with picking out the right thing, and discouragin the wrong.
well...Ill get to downloading...kinda pathetic...I have nothing to do at work but talk about life outside of it...heh, shows you how active my job is.
david.
Message 21/23 27-Jul-00 @ 10:21 AM - RE: help for a hobbyist
Message 23/23 27-Jul-00 @ 06:11 PM - RE: help for a hobbyist
If you want to go better than this try some of the grooveboxes,don't get anything too complicated but buy something you will find usefull when you decide to expand(ie RM1x,Mc505 etc)
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