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Subject: Stereo Expansion
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Original Message 1/13 27-Nov-00 @ 09:34 PM - Stereo Expansion
If I expand the drums the rest sounds crappy and things.
I would appreciate any advice on this matter. What do I have to think about?
Message 2/13 28-Nov-00 @ 02:04 AM - RE: Stereo Expansion
Message 3/13 28-Nov-00 @ 05:01 PM - RE: Stereo Expansion
Well... I don't have any real hardware delay units and stuff. I mostly use software.
I've found that it's really, really hard to keep a track balanced when using stereo expansion
Maybe I should add that I use cooledit pro for most reverb/delay effects.
Why is it so hard to keep everything balanced?
When try to create drums or basslines with a wide stereo field everything just start sounding crappy.
Not sure what to do =( I mainly try to create trance like tunes.
Message 4/13 28-Nov-00 @ 05:43 PM - RE: Stereo Expansion
And why is this the wrong place? Seems perfectly logical to put a mixing question in the mix area. :-)
Message 5/13 28-Nov-00 @ 05:51 PM - RE: Stereo Expansion
Oh, well =) Thanks for answering.
I never put reverb and stuff on my bassdrums.
Yeah... I recognise the muddiness but it's not because of my bass stuff.
Should I use exactly the same reverb and delay values for each instrument and things?
Message 6/13 28-Nov-00 @ 06:01 PM - RE: Stereo Expansion
Maybe there's a terminology issue here (maybe it is theory after all ;-). When you say stereo expansion, I am thinking that you are trying to spread the stereo field, so that something that is mostly on the left side of the stereo field goes ALL the way out.
You need to be very juducious in your use of reverb. If you are trying to mix two GREAT sounding synth patches that have these wonderful delays and fantastic reverbs, there's your problem. On their own, the sounds NEED the reverbs and delays to sound full. But in a mix, all those reverbs just add up to complete utter crap.
You're using Cool Edit Pro? Do you have a stereo delay device? If so, you should have the ability to adjust the pan amounts for each channel. So, you can take a centered sound (a snare drum, for example) and have the delay ping-pong from the left side to the right side.
But be VERY careful with your reverbs. If you have alot of stuff going on, and each instrument has a reverb, you get mud.
Message 7/13 28-Nov-00 @ 06:12 PM - RE: Stereo Expansion
The reverbs may be the problem. A guy I know told me that I need much more reverbs in my hihats and my synthlines.
Found that it was quite a big step to take... Stereo expansion and reverbs are very hard to balance
I'll just have to play around more I guess. I'll see what happens.
Thanks for all advices.
Message 8/13 28-Nov-00 @ 09:30 PM - RE: Stereo Expansion
Message 9/13 29-Nov-00 @ 06:23 PM - RE: Stereo Expansion
Message 10/13 30-Nov-00 @ 01:42 PM - RE: Stereo Expansion
techno acts will drive the hihats sounds through something to get that elusive fizzyness.
Message 11/13 04-Dec-00 @ 10:34 PM - RE: Stereo Expansion
I tried some of the ideas and I managed to get it to sound somewhat like how I wanted it anyway.
My next problem is the equalization thingy. What kind of software should I use to eq my instruments and is there any standard setups I should use?
I've managed to get things to sound somewhat "real" but something is still missing. Hard to just hear what's optimal at times especially when you haven't got any really good speakers at home like me.
I will take care of that problem in a near future though of course
Take care all
Message 12/13 06-Dec-00 @ 07:58 PM - RE: Stereo Expansion
1. Record your lead or whatever sound to mono track.
2. Open recorded file in audio editor and convert it back to stereo.
3. Duplicate that file.
4. Roll of all HIGH frequencies ABOVE 1kHz from file_1...
5. ...and roll of all LOW frequencies BELOW 1kHz from file_2.
6. Now add stereo fx to file_2 with some plugin.
7. Mix file_1 and file_2 together(50/50).
Now you should have lead sound which have bass frequencies in center and high frequencies widely spread in stereo field.
I read this from Keyboard magazine and when I tried it I thought it sounded huge. So this might help you a little bit and it sounds professional if done with care.
Message 13/13 10-Dec-00 @ 03:36 PM - RE: Stereo Expansion
Ape
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