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Subject: Why do people DJ live?
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Original Message 1/51 31-Mar-00 @ 04:38 AM - Why do people DJ live?
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Message 2/51 31-Mar-00 @ 12:27 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Message 3/51 01-Apr-00 @ 02:21 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
them's using them as musical instruments, & i tend to think they play live to get their rorks arfin' and to have fun, which might be what john always thinks. or whatever..
some dj's play live to get money, or free drugs, or girls, or guys, or more drugs, or because they can't stand NOT being the center of attention, and because THEIR music IS THE SHIT so don't deny the skills of EVERY FUCK DJ out there.. haha..
but kid capri rocks. and there's of course a ton more that aren't near favorite or something fishy like tuna fish.. or sushi, that's fishy. unless it has egg instead of fish. that's farked in it's bononoclopa>>> wee all knew, little little people, laughing about us day & night. we could always fark them the foke up with just a little static shock; were they such sensitive electronic devices? i thought they was lil' people, like them.. borrowers or littles or supimim supplement.. borrowers piss me off. john goodman to save the day; social lubricant. fark bono; the edge.. U2 tyke klyne UBERZEGUNSKRAFT
Message 4/51 01-Apr-00 @ 04:43 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Think about it...have you ever tried to spin a keyboard on a set of 1200s?
Message 5/51 01-Apr-00 @ 06:01 PM - Koala permit acquisition in the US
same thing happens (somewhat) when elvenkynde forgets the record & cues up a slipmat.. mm.. fuzzy & harshh, hurts ears.
Message 6/51 02-Apr-00 @ 12:46 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Just want to learn more about it. It just seems weird to spin a record, when you could be sequencing it LIVE on your keyboard. Could somebody fill me in on why this is and possible sites that explain Djing.
Thanks
Message 7/51 02-Apr-00 @ 03:42 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
they o it because it allows them to manipulate the music even further....instead of using keyboards to play notes, they use songs that have already been made and realeased, and reagrrange, edit, and scratch those songs into, hopoefully, something greater than the origional song...the dj 's goal (at most) is to provide the listener a greater experience than the source songs, keep the dancefloor happinen, keep the energy up, make people enjoy themselves, make the songs flow into one another, and provide goos sonic enjoyment...the music-producer's goal is to express themselves.
this is jsut the way i see things
,p>
ellipsis
Message 8/51 02-Apr-00 @ 04:56 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Message 9/51 05-Apr-00 @ 10:59 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Message 10/51 11-Apr-00 @ 08:04 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
A: It's not. It's simply manipulated recordings of other people's stuff.
I can't remember which thread it was, but I kind laid out my point of view on the DJ/strap-on concept, and it still seems to hold. Anybody else remember which thread that was? I enjoy DJ's showcasing good music, especially some of the archivist/manipulators that I know, but it ain't the same as somebody doin it for real, representin their own sounds and arrangements.
Ape
Message 11/51 11-Apr-00 @ 10:23 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
"disc jockeys" they play music, no offense, but it's not that great
Message 12/51 11-Apr-00 @ 03:13 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Message 13/51 13-Apr-00 @ 12:28 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Well, you have to understand the power of a turntable and a fat ass beat...just think about this little disc that spins and physically transfers little notches into beats...stuttering away from the needle to the speakers.
More concretely, you just need to understand DJ culture. Electronic Dance Music is just that...DANCE music, and when people go out to a club or a party or a rave or whatever, there are some people who are there to dance they're ass off, some for drugs and some for the music and some to get laid... (we all have our own priorities).. A DJ makes many songs into a set...a set as a cohesive whole...he manipulates the records, the pulse, to his liking. A DJ with a name will be the center of many people's attention (will have more trainspotters) while an unknown is the source of the party.
Other reasons, umm... one could say that as a DJ you pick what you feel the BEST (to your taste or within a certain cohesion) are and come on, no DJ/producer is going to say "my records are just the bomb ass shit, I will spin only my shit" and anyway then you'd have a boring set...producers tend to have styles and you'd here only one.
More reasons - a lot of producers just don't go live...they just sit in the studio and crank out vinyl for the DJs...that's just what they're after.
Again, remember that DJS are musicians...if they weren't, one couldn't have preferences for one DJ over another. There are so many reasons ahhhhh! You just need to get out to a party...
Clubs/Parties/Raves are concerts and "regular parties" in one... that fusion makes the DJ necessary.
Come on guys, help me out!
Message 14/51 13-Apr-00 @ 02:23 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
I don't know why you've chosen to take such a myopic look at this issue. You yourself claim to be a proponent of open mindedness, and are the first to criti-size those who approach new concepts with closed minds. So what the fuck man?
Do you believe that you created the tone of say A#? Did that tone not exist before your moms squeezed your little sticky ass out? "Ah," we said, "now we can use A#". Naw, this ain't the case. A#'s been around. But nonetheless you will take this tone and use it, add a tone before, a tone after. Are YOU a thief for simply playing a tone, thats been around as long as air? Or are you an Author for arranging the tone into sequences? Why is it that you can sequence tones, and be the Author, while others sequence sonic experiences far more compl.exe and difficult to manipulate than simple tones, and are called "archivers"? I'de expect this level of thinking from a fool, but surely not from someone with such a deep and open mind as you, pongoid.
Message 15/51 13-Apr-00 @ 05:20 AM - Why don't DJ's dance live?
Which brings me to the point that the reason DJ's and the producers that want FAME do it is because they look like a constipated octopus on the dancefloor.
Really, some of them should be told that they arent doing themselves any favours.
If you are a dJ and you can dance then you should copyrite it or something ;)
Message 16/51 14-Apr-00 @ 02:50 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Message 17/51 14-Apr-00 @ 10:35 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
In fact I can't really understand the whole DJ as.....rockstar... thing at all...
I write beats, and I've dj'd and there is absolutely no comparison. DJ'ing requires: very good taste, a sense of crowd psychology, and minimal rhythm. Hate to bust the bubble, but I've controlled and sculpted crowds like an artist, and I did it half drunk...
Message 18/51 15-Apr-00 @ 09:07 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Okay, rockstar you know DJ KO?
Dude absolutely blew my mind. I've NEVER had that amount of quality sonic information coming at me.(especially live) I couldn't process nearly a quarter of it. Dude was tight, you know him?
Message 19/51 17-Apr-00 @ 01:23 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Message 20/51 17-Apr-00 @ 08:20 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Message 21/51 19-Apr-00 @ 02:00 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Ape
Message 22/51 19-Apr-00 @ 02:01 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Ape
Message 23/51 19-Apr-00 @ 04:02 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
pre-recorded sounds. some write their own shit, but very
few.
manipulator of energy, too, but using other peoples stuff
to do it.
Pongoid said something about the DJs who jump on the
newest hottest shit to come out in their genre. Ive often
wondered about this when i go out to see a name I know
(and have liked in the past based on track selection and
style) and I end up being blasted with a constant barrage
of same-sounding big farting basslines and the stock
beats. I cant BELIEVE how far the Amen break has gone...
but anyway..again, I saw Dara last night, who I have kept
up with over the years, since the "renegade continuum"
mix came out, which I am still totally in love with. THAT
stuff..the Future Forces shit, etc, took a LOT of thought, as
does all GOOD jungle. the shit on those mixes is equally
at home at a party or rockin in the car on a trip to the
mountains..and Daras mix skills are impressive, too.
Since then, he has steadily embraced the "NOW" sound of
DnB which is sounding more and more like Slayer every
time I hear it.
Do I question him for the change? I dont know..cuz in a
way, he is nothing but a mirror, and has no choice to play
whats "The Shit" if he wants to keep his name around,
but then again..the stuff from the past...is it all crap now?
Is only the NEW groundbreaking shit any good? I say NO,
and Im disappointed in the DJs who think differently.
anyway..sorry for the rant..as an answer to the original
post...
why dont people just bring a keyboard?
well..you clearly havent done much production yet. A lot
of the stuff you hear, well..one man just couldnt do it.
pongoids gonna shit but its true. The majority of the
tracks are written in the studio and processed all to hell,
and to try to get them out live would be quite difficult, a
task that most producers wont tackle.
more often than not, it is simply not ONE keyboard doing
the whole thing, but a whole slew of synths, samplers, FX,
processors, etc, and would take way more than one
person to get it all together.
does that answer your ?
as for the Producer vs engineer vs musician thing? Im not
even gonna touch that cuz unless you can manipulate a
musical instrument in a controlled fashion, you are not a
musician in my eyes. this, sadly, excludes me..I consider
myself more of a "manipulator" than anything and im
ashamed of it at present, but working on changin this
aspect.
someone once said that if you dont really know music,
but are writing it, then youre "fakin the funk"...and for
some reason it struck a nerve, and seemed directed at
me...
maybe some DJs should take a look at this too
Message 24/51 19-Apr-00 @ 05:03 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Producing=Talent/Musicality
Message 25/51 21-Apr-00 @ 04:07 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Dj's there Dj's there.. I think we have to seperate the Dj's. If you take the normal little club dj well, he'z not much off an artist now is he?. Take q-bert or thosse guys then it's another point. They'r people that have expanded the use off Turntables and are very creattive and have a musical mind sort off.
In my eyes they are true artists perhaps not muscians but artists... mann dj-s suck... They all do it for the money or the puzzy,, damn idits.
Message 26/51 21-Apr-00 @ 07:05 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Message 27/51 21-Apr-00 @ 09:09 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
everyone said their own version now??
if i had the chance i'd pound sasha's little head into quivering jellylike.
and don't tell me to shut up. i haven't offended you. if i had offended you i'd know it & i wouldn't have done so without good reason. kicking the crap out of sasha has been this concept i've been toying with for.. ages, apparently. of course it'll never happen, i'll never go anywhere within miles of any of his garbage crap music... hehe.. yes that's what i said.
love ya
Message 28/51 22-Apr-00 @ 02:34 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
From what I hear you shouting, it sounds more like you object to the form of djing. Which is understandable. It is very objectionable. Bye bye.
Message 29/51 24-Apr-00 @ 06:39 PM - DEEEJJAYSSSS
Message 30/51 24-Apr-00 @ 06:39 PM - DEEEJJAYSSSS
Message 31/51 24-Apr-00 @ 10:37 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
"FAKIN THE FUNK"
I like that...
I'm a really CRAPPY bass player. Like, I could play well enough to be in some shite ass hardcore or punk band but nothing else. No funk, jazz, jam rock...nothing that actually takes
FUNK (in the more abstract meaning...as in "fakin the funk")
anyway
on the SASHA tip...well, he put out a CD recently (OF HIS OWN STUFF) and I've HEARD it's not bad but I haven't actually HEARD IT...so....
But I do like the differentiation between PRODUCER and MUSICIAN...
I'm definitely a PRODUCER... I MAKE/PRODUCE MUSIC but I would only loosely call myself a musician. As much as I think shit like STOMP is obnoxious as fuck and boring and mainstream...they can drum the fuck out of me, so they're one up on me...
Give them an MPC and they would still probably rip me to shreads...I just have to hope that my own sense of COOL is better. I make no pretentions about attempting crazy-phat Aphex Twin style innovation...I am after the groove only. I seek only to make bad-ass dance tracks. Hopefully I'm advancing quick enough to get some records out before
THIS VERSION OF DISCO
dies out...but as it's lasted over 10 years, maybe it won't die out... I'm not after fame or fortune...I'd just like to make a living at doing what I love (PRODUCING) music and hopefully someone will connect with a track that I make...although I don't aim for crazy fat innovation, I DO aim for INTELLIGENT dance music that somehow express some abstract emotion...maybe someone out there will get it the same way that I do...but I'll never know...
(POINT OF TANGENT: a defense of PRODUCERS who are not bad-ass musicians. Maybe you can play Nocturnes...I can't. But with the help of technology, I can transcend my slow hands...isn't music all in the HEAD, anyway?)
SINCERELY!
ModAsBlue
Message 32/51 26-Apr-00 @ 03:51 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Well, I don't claim to be a musician... I can play a few jazzy tunes on the piano, I have my small home studio, I have a bunch of DJ friends who keep asking me when I'm either going to play live, or press a record for them to play... I'm also part of a production company, that throws parties in order to provide a place to have fun for us and as many other open minded kids that we can get our hands on... any of the money we make is simply given away, or reinvested in bigger and better parties. Basically, I started raving, I saw the "scene"... this attention based hedonistic cult which (at least where I am) seemed a bit like high school...
I had been listening to electronic music, in one form or another for a few years by the time I started "raving", and after getting sucked in at first, I took a step back, and said...
WAIT A MINUTE!!! WHATS IT ALL ABOUT??? WHY AM I DOING THIS???
to which (after much contemplation) the only answer I could come up with was, and still is:
--==FUN==--
Now, I've blown a couple grand on music equipment, I kinda skipped the whole DJ'ing bit (figgured I'd pick it up along the way, if I wanted to) and now I spend all my free time at home in the studio messing around..
and ya know what... I couldn't care less if I actually do get published, or get hired to do a live act
because.... I've decided, I'm in it for FUN, screw labels (DJ thisn'that), I don't even have a name for myself, so I just told them to put a question mark on the flyer.
No matter what you do (DJ/Produce/Masturbate)... just know why you are doing it... if you are doing it solely for fame, or fortune, well I hope you do well, if you are doing it in order to get girls, well I hope you get em', but remember.. don't loose site of your goals...
It doesn't matter what you do, just do it to the best of your ability, and try to have FUN doing it, as a life without FUN, is (in my opinion) no life at all.
Sorry about the rant, but for some reason I enjoy (FUN) sharing my opinion on this sort of thing.
Best wishes,
MuhA
By the way... note to DJ's, etc... One of the coolest guys I've met has been DJ Brian (High Desert Trance) who I chatted with for quite a while... a candyraver that I knew came up to us while we were chatting, and goes:
"Oh HI!!! You must be DJ Brian!!"
He looked at her, and said
"Uhh, yeah, whats your name?"
she said: "Tracy!"
He said "Well, uhh, nice to meet you DJ Tracy"
Message 33/51 16-May-00 @ 09:11 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
But they cant do with the musicians, so they depend on us. It s like cars, if there was no oil the cars wouldnt roll... Dj's are nothing without records to spin, musicians sre the source... Dj's are not musicians...
they are simply overrated, I met couple of them in Seattle and IMHO they are self-centered- ego-tastical dicks ( at least the ones i met). I cant understand how playing prerecorded stuff makes you so cooler then producing music (that happened to me couple of time, people ask me if i dj, i say no, i make music, and they are like ok, c ya later...).
People over here think it is the dj who plays the music...
I understand u nedd skills to spin but i see people spinning in a club 6 months after they started djing... it took me a year to figure out analogue sythesis i am still learning...
I am not talking about turntablists like Picklz or x-men it takes skillz to do that stuff.
Hope i explained myself....
Message 34/51 19-May-00 @ 06:33 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Ape
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Message 38/51 02-Jun-00 @ 07:39 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Ape
Message 39/51 02-Jun-00 @ 01:05 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Message 40/51 06-Jun-00 @ 04:13 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
But how about your views on the evolution of thought from Duchamp -> Warhol -> Koonz, pongoid? Did any of those guys cross the art line for you, I'm wondering?
Message 41/51 07-Jun-00 @ 05:46 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Okay, let's say you take a little sculpture by one artist, and another from another artist, perhaps, laying one on top of another. It would be very hard to say simply 'installation by _(arranger's name)_' without acknowledging who the two 'arranged'pieces were in fact made by without being a considdered a completely egocentric fuckhead posing as some sort of artist wannabe. Now if hundreds of pieces were arranged in a way that all togther form a complete piece, with each piece contributing to the whole, each being a significant contibutor to the identity of a piece as a whole,that might be seen as a different case. I suppose it depends where you draw the line of contributing elements as individual pieces in their own rites. I would have a bit of a hard time worrying about the guy at the paint factory who mixed William Alexander's Prussian Blue while looking at it in another mundane still life of trees in front of mountains with ochre cliffs and pink sunset skies, painted by another bored nursing home patient, you know what I mean?
Now, if the piece consisted of a piece of hand beaten papyrus, splashed with some psychedelic insanity of a single colour of paint, that came completely textured with dust of mother of pearl, and obsidian slivers, I might be interested in the name of the guy that made the paint.
Did they cross the art line? Sounds like an argument of somantics.
Ape
Message 43/51 16-Jun-00 @ 11:52 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Message 45/51 20-Jun-00 @ 01:35 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
i gots me a friend who begun djing `bout 12 months ago and has recently come down with what could be called discjock cranial imflamation( i.e he thinks he's good )
He claims that that art of djing beats the shit out of a live PA and that the only good producers are dj's.
I fuck around with me bedroom studio (which is practically nothing) and can't really make cool shit as yet. i kinda dj by numbers (find the exact bpm and shift by the speed control. roughly 1 tone = roughly 1 bpm. add or subtract. Only works for about 100-130 bpm and past there things go awry
meanwhile him with a bunch of other people productions in his all too trendy record bag gets to ponce around like the next supasta (spelt as is)
What the hell am i gonna tell him .... when i can't make anything good yet
i firmly belive that a live pa with your dat players and sequencers and mixers and whatnot has more creative control then 6 grams of vinyl on two tired ol 1200's and can rock the crowd more.
Would you rather see a live act then a dj ?
lets open the lines
first caller, you're on the air
Message 46/51 20-Jun-00 @ 08:14 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Message 47/51 20-Jun-00 @ 07:52 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Ape
Message 48/51 21-Jun-00 @ 03:02 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Records take less work to play for people than electronic instruments. Also a more diverse range of sound is available from a smaller collection of things.
This is why people play records more often than gear.
Message 49/51 21-Jun-00 @ 08:11 AM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
Ape
Message 50/51 10-Jul-00 @ 08:41 PM - RE: Why do people DJ live?
WINS.
And now for some statistics pulled straight out of my ass, or rather, my perception.
About 5% of DJs deserve musical creativity credit.
These are the guys who are pulling on records so much that you don't even think about making requests, and these are the guys who are chucking them up at the lights and weird shit like that. Or, at the VERY least, it is their job to have some music that NO ONE else has yet, to be an ambassador. That's probably another 5%, and I respect their diligence.
About 90% of DJs enjoy the ignorance the public has with regard to the difference between reproduced and
produced music, and they prosper from it often, while musicians hide, away from society, zoning in on their art. Higher form of life? 90% of the time, yes.
Most DJs are just play-pushing pussy hounds. Please excuse my burst of righteousness.
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