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Subject: How to Key Records?
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Original Message 1/19 05-Jul-00 @ 03:22 PM - How to Key Records?
Message 2/19 05-Jul-00 @ 05:11 PM - RE: How to Key Records?
Message 3/19 05-Jul-00 @ 07:20 PM - RE: How to Key Records?
Message 4/19 06-Jul-00 @ 01:36 AM - RE: How to Key Records?
Ape
Message 5/19 06-Jul-00 @ 12:11 PM - RE: How to Key Records?
Message 6/19 06-Jul-00 @ 12:27 PM - RE: How to Key Records?
the guy probably hates trance as its shitheads music
why dont you shut your arse and give your mouth a chance
i dj and as for the key thing i think a key chart or something like that would be usefull,plus all the speeds i mix at are allaround 128 to 130 bpm so surely the key wont change that much over 2 bpm
Message 7/19 06-Jul-00 @ 01:33 PM - RE: How to Key Records?
Ape
yes it does change a bit over two BPM, enough to sound out of tune and annoying.
Message 8/19 06-Jul-00 @ 01:37 PM - RE: How to Key Records?
use your ears -- if you know when one track sounds bad with another, than maybe you could turn on that thing inside your head (you know, your brain) and start using it -- figure out which notes are being played in one of the songs by listening then trying to find them on a keyboard, and figure out from that what key that song's in by looking up keys on the web (there are lots of places that'll give you scales, etc. -- check harmonycentral.com) and matching the notes in the song you're analyzing to the info you find.
then do that with the other song you're mixing, do it with all the songs you've got, and then, by OBSERVING and THINKING (the brain again), you will see which keys work with each other, and in what way. this is how we did it, and if you actually want to _learn_ so that you _understand_, so that you can (perish the thought) get creative or something, then i'm afraid you're going to have to put a bit of thought and effort into it, that's why they call it "music" and not "watching TV"... you're right, it _would_ be easier if you could look it up and not have to try a few different times before finding it, but the making mistakes part is a necessary component of the learning process, and without it you're never going to actually understand anything.
Message 9/19 06-Jul-00 @ 02:39 PM - RE: How to Key Records?
Message 10/19 06-Jul-00 @ 03:24 PM - RE: How to Key Records?
if u have nothing useful to say then shut the fuck up
oh and by the way'spinnin records',thats a bit jimmy savillish isnt it
Message 11/19 06-Jul-00 @ 04:10 PM - RE: How to Key Records?
If you haven't got perfect pitch you need a reference to establish key. A guitar or a keyboard. The new Roland "groove approved" mc-307 appears to have a slider for controlling both bpm and pitch independently. One would guess it might be a useful thing for a dj for checking bpms and keys on records. But Of course, you should buy a fucking sampler instead.
After one discussion about scales and keys on this forum i started to check these on a mix cd that i got with some mag, it was muzik or mixmag; progressive house set by some bald bloke. Interestingly enough, those tunes were mostly "aiolian" minor scale based and often the guy mixed them along the circle of fifths! that is, from a to d to g etc. So the cadence thing apparently isn't bullshit! (i'm not a dj)
Is 2 bpm increase much? What about Showing films on tv?
European PAL tv shows films (24 frames/second) at 25 frame per second. That would mean if i'm correct that a 120 bpm tune on celluloid is 124.8 on telly... movies don't appear accelerated... slightly off topic, but interesting....
Message 12/19 06-Jul-00 @ 05:02 PM - RE: How to Key Records?
Message 13/19 06-Jul-00 @ 05:42 PM - RE: How to Key Records?
and i already have a fuckin sampler or 2
Message 15/19 07-Jul-00 @ 03:20 AM - RE: How to Key Records?
what's the matter with you? Ok it's obvious that the guy doesn't know shit about theory but isn't this kind of forum where you can ask advice?!?!
Arska's links on harmonic mixing does seem to make sense. (6% pitch increase/disincrease is the same as one halfsteps. (Cmajor with +6% is Dbmajor))
So cut that "fuck off rookie" -attitude , will u.
ville vaan
bytheway splurt1 is wicked
Message 16/19 07-Jul-00 @ 05:54 AM - RE: How to Key Records?
Message 17/19 07-Jul-00 @ 07:38 AM - RE: How to Key Records?
going on in this thread, but any DJs out there reading
this thread should probably realize that alot of
musicians don't like most DJs, who play records
produced by musicians like us, and get all the big
money and all the credit.
We have spent years buying gear, learning it,
experimenting and studying, instead of buying records
and playing parties.
And most of us don't want to see DJs turn producers,
using all their DJ connections to get their tracks
heard.
For what it's worth, here's my 2 cents on finding the
key of record (but not the pitch):
Play a section of the record over and over until you
find the corresponding note on the keyboard. Good luck,
because if th epitch is the slightest bit off between
the record and the keyboard, an untrained ear will
never find the right note. This is why everyone
recommends using your ears, and brain. It is easier,
but takes practise.
Message 18/19 07-Jul-00 @ 02:53 PM - RE: How to Key Records?
Ballbaglicker, don't even try to fuck with me, you miserable little turd. I'll eat you up like you weren't even there. The best you can do is say 'yeah...what he said!!!!' You and Buttboy can sit back, shut the fuck up, accept the fact that you are wrong, and try to learn from your fuck-ups, or you can lie there and suck on each other for all eternity, when you're not putting out boring, pointless, rehash, commercial poo, for other idiots like yourselves to buy. Either way, I really don't care, as you are both showing yourselves to be quite uninterested in learning, rather just shit stirring, so why don't you give me one good reason for not fucking off, and hiding like the useless little brainless dolts that you portray?
Ville:
The pitch to percent thing works for plain tones, but for pieces of music it's pointless, unless the bpms are the exact same percentage different, and the cadences are identical, or you just end up with a senseless mass of sound that doesn't work melodically or rythmicly. If you're gonna try to play by the rules, you have to know them to play by them, and know them even better than that to break them properly. these guys know neither, so they need to learn or do something else. My problem? They have offended me and wish to continue doing so. Plain and simple.
Ape
Ape
Message 19/19 08-Jul-00 @ 03:01 PM - RE: How to Key Records?
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