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Original Message 1/10 28-Jul-00 @ 04:29 AM - creativity vs reality
Throughout history, you can clearly map out uses of such disconnectedness by the great creators of the past. Whether instilled by insanity, substance abuse, violence, disease etc. it's all really the same thing that gave these people their art. The subconscious mind.
What does this mean?
In order to be truly inspired people do we need to separate ourselves from the fabric of reality?
I personally find that writers block is most likely to come when I cut down on my drug usage. It's usually good for the business side of things mind you, but I'm not driven to compose the same way I am when I'm halfway out of my tree.
Do any of you find this to be true with yourselves?
If this is a universal truth then what does musical "talent" or "genius" mean?
It would seem to be that it would boil down to some sort of constant using something like musical training in relation to the degree of insanity/intoxication of the mind in question.
But then wouldn't that mean that true musical geniuses are just fucked up ppl who happened to be well trained to channel their subconscious into art through the destruction of conscious thought?
Doesn't that make a musical genius out to be basically a slave to their subconscious mind?
Do any of you feel like their music is more in control of them then they are in control of their music? The big question is, are we conditioned to be like this on purpose? If this makes any sense, then please let me know.
Peaceout,
Peter
Message 2/10 28-Jul-00 @ 09:51 AM - RE: creativity vs reality
so i guess what i wanted to say is that there are certain areas where i think a rational concious process is a bit more helpful (i.e mixing, which i )_cannot_ do stoned), and of course for inspiration/channeling the secrets inside you...
and i don't know about you, but i personally have never doubted for a moment that i was in the complete control of music... fuck, beyond a case of extreme chronic gear-lust, it's stuff like having things going through my head continuously all day that's never let me doubt my (partial) insanity... and i guess _i_ think that's the key, cause you can be some wacko yoko-ono style, screaming in a bag-type, which is i suppose equally "detatched" from reality, but (for me) the thing that makes great music great is that it's not a pile of random crazyness, it's structure, organized crazyness... so if you're partially insane you're all set, cause you can come up with crazy shit, and then have the sense to figure out how it's all gonna come together... of course i'm sure a lot of people operate completely in one realm or the other...
anyway, i really have no clue at all what the force behind this is, but then again since my wonderful subconcious is in control, i don't have to care! i just let it take control, remembering to do stuff like eat and clothe myself periodically....
okay, final thought: i don't think it's really the "destruction of concious thought" so much as it's the bypassing of it... well, maybe destruction to me means something a bit more permanent, but i htink it's more of a transcending thing... going above and beyond, collecting cool shit, then thinking about it, seeing how it works, and learning from all that...
right, the last thought for sure this time: isn't that what any art's about? granted, i guess dance music's a bit more abstract than, say, poetry (well, most poetry anyway), but... okay, i'm getting sidetracked, what i mean is (RRGHHH sorry for the absent scatter-braindeness... maybe a bit too much inspiration over the past few days..) we're ALL conditioned to a greater or lesser extent to "channel" or whatever, get in touch with, the subconcious (incidentally, i never took psych101, i'm just assuming by subconcious you mean the irrational, secret sort of mysterious part... you know, the one with the big-ass oedipal(?) complex...), that's all music _is_, or most of it anyway, i think... it just seems that some of us are more in touch with that part than others (fucking people that listen to crap radio ALL FUCKING DAY, but they're not even listening, they just like background noise! AAARRRGGH@!@!!!!!!!!!) sorry, i really think my subconcious is sort of overzealous...
tangent: in many other threads, this whole moneyvs."keepin it real"/etc. thing keeps cropping up, where a few people will cry out against rote music-making, saying it's a desecration....maybe it's all just a difference of brain-processes... i.e some of us approach music on a toally rational level, and some of us don't... and our brains don't like to feel desecrated.
Message 3/10 28-Jul-00 @ 01:22 PM - RE: creativity vs reality
Peaceout,
Peter
Message 4/10 28-Jul-00 @ 05:21 PM - RE: creativity vs reality
Message 5/10 28-Jul-00 @ 07:58 PM - RE: creativity vs reality
Some things in studio just go more smoothly straight, some better otherwise. Tuff to do the non fun stuff, when you've got all the fun stuff lying around, saying "twiddle me honey!"
In all the artistic things I do (painting, drawing, music/sound, used to write-no longer have the capacity, sculpting, and on into the more conceptually abstract...) I've found that I have to find a way to enjoy the process 100%. The entire process. And if thats not happening, then the arts not Really happening, on the level it needs to be. Don't think that I've ever really achieved this 100% ratio, nope, but when I've gotten really close- ie painting structure built perfectly, surface prepared just right for subject matter, great paint used, mixed well, proper pigment over/saturation, properly mixed medium, paint layered well, excelent bushwork, effective composition ect (if you paint you know this list could go on to the extent of dt's servers but) when I can really get in on all of those levels, and pour joy into them, then the work just flies, flies I tell you, out of normal levels of objecthood into some kinda magic saturn space. Well anyway, another example is programing sounds on my fs1r. Love the sounds, but the programming sucks toads, so you won't hear a lot of Really unique sounds coming out of my fs1r, cause I just can't put that much energy there, cause this beastie will just suck it outta me. I could sit for days programming and get nowhere (sometimes), so you won't find me doing it much. (I'm doing it right now though, thats why I'm at dt!)
Anyway, though caspar, friends and family can really be a big hole in your magical space where you can let the madness happen. Those people will usually want access to your mental space, though they will not be willing to deal with what they find there. This is poision. I really feel for viz art, a studio is a must, and prefferable totally yours, or shared with deeply empithetic people, while still having private space. Cause you need a fortress, one in which your totally secure, so you can let ALL your gaurds down, so you can be pathetically weak, naked, exposed, failing, you gotta be able to do these things to make progress. And fer myself, I can't do this in the public eye, or even around close friends.
Well, thats enough out of me.
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Message 9/10 09-Aug-00 @ 02:35 PM - RE: creativity vs reality
And I fully fully fully agree with whoever said that really you have to have everything set up 100% so that it's enjoyable to work. Otherwise, you won't use things to their fullest potential because experimenting becomes way too difficult. I'm in the middle of setting up my studio at my new place and I'm doing it right this time (it's finally got it's own room without dampness, darkness, critters, bong-parties, etc...)
-Craig
Message 10/10 09-Aug-00 @ 04:19 PM - RE: creativity vs reality
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