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Subject: Rattling Snares
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Original Message 1/24 03-May-00 @ 10:55 AM - Drum N Bass Rattling Snares
I have some questions :
1.) Where do I put the Hi Hats ???
2.) How do you get those manic 400bpm snare rolls over the top ?? How do you program them ? Are they programmed or are they just lifted from other sources ?
3.) What else do people do to the grooves to get that Drum n Bass feel ???
I've read through this forum and people have offered some great help. But I really am struggling with this and could do with some help. A nice long indepth tutorial from start to finish would be great. No one seems to have done that yet, It really would help some of us who are struggling.
Equipment I have :
Alesis SR16
Casio RZ 1
Yamaha DJX
Novation Super Bass Station
Juno 6
Pentium II 350, with cubase 3.65, fruity loops, rebirth, sound Forge, Wave Surgeon and loads of other bits n bobs.
The PC has a Sound Blaster Live! in it which can be used like a sampler until I can afford a one (if I need one that is).
Thanks
Scott
Message 2/24 03-May-00 @ 09:22 PM - RE: Rattling Snares
123, 123, 12 and 123, 123, 123, 123, 12-12
like flamenco...
now tap it over the above riddim from Photek...
Message 3/24 04-May-00 @ 06:08 AM - smapler
ha ha ha, sorry but yeah you do need a smapler.
I noticed that the s2000 is going for 400 quid now... flipping eck!! I paid 1000 for one of those 5 years ago ,and for drum n bass they are great cos they have this really crisp punchy sound.. you could do worse.. stay away from the dj phrase samplers though.. the s2000 is as low as you can go and still have all the features you need.
Message 4/24 04-May-00 @ 07:20 AM - RE: Rattling Snares
I am thinking about getting one, the sound blaster does sound weak ! But I think I need to do something with that before I can justify spending 400 quid on more kit. I may buy it and still not be able to do anything which would be a waste.
Anyway can you tell me how to go about writing the rattling snares in Drum n Bass, is a sampler going to help me do this ??? If so how ?
Scott
Message 5/24 04-May-00 @ 01:02 PM - RE: Rattling Snares
what is a 'rattling snare' by the way - it's the thread title, but you never make clear what you mean by it, it's not in the original question
Message 6/24 04-May-00 @ 01:33 PM - RE: Rattling Snares
Message 7/24 05-May-00 @ 03:59 AM - RE: Rattling Snares
You get the basic 2 step or whatever you want to call it and then over that are quieter flurries of snares that are played very fast, too fast to play by hand.
But when I try it with my drum machine or using samples, it sounds too robotic.
Scott
Message 8/24 05-May-00 @ 07:15 AM - RE: Rattling Snares
Message 10/24 05-May-00 @ 11:26 AM - RE: Rattling Snares
Message 11/24 05-May-00 @ 03:17 PM - RE: Rattling Snares
Message 12/24 09-May-00 @ 10:53 AM - RE: Rattling Snares
What I found was that if I produce a break beat on the Alesis SR16 at around 135bpmn with plenty of interesting ghost snares. Sample it into the PC and then pitch shift it up to 170bpm and then chop it up into 8ths and shift the 8ths round till you end up with about 15 different versions. Then plot these in Cubase into say 16 bars, finding the versions which work together.
The question is should I pitch shift or Timestretch ??
To me the Pitchshiffted version sound better/tighter.
Am I on the right track or do you lot just write the breaks at 170BPM straight off ? It's just that the Alesis snares are not tight enough. I guess this where a sampler comes in. I looked at the Akai 2000 but it has no onboard FX, this is a little worrying. What do you reckon ? Is the 2000 worth buying or is it old technology ? What about the Yamaha 3000 ?
Cheers for your help
Scott
Message 13/24 09-May-00 @ 12:06 PM - RE: Rattling Snares
when you say "12-time", you mean triplet timing, right?
I'm not sure what you mean by 12-time.
also, are all of this site's midi grooves stored somewhere?
Message 14/24 10-May-00 @ 09:01 AM - RE: Rattling Snares
3 time patterns feature is a huge amount of world music, and 3 time is something to look at in detail
so... roots stuff now.... take a beat on your sequencer... 1,2,3,4 --- now... count over that click... 1,2,3 - 1,2,3 - 1,2,3 - 1,2,3 - 1,2 - 1,2
now... remove the 2's and 3's.. just concemtrate in your mind on the accented ONE of the triplet overlay...
ok... now count over the beat this:
1,2,3 - 1,2,3 - 1,2 - 1,2,3 - 1,2,3 - 1,2
againt.. feel the accent of the first beat of the triplet patterns...
that is the essence of reggea mate... and ragga, and drum & bass & jungle and dancehall...
can you feel it?.. or do you need some midifiles posting?
Message 15/24 10-May-00 @ 09:32 AM - RE: Rattling Snares
Midi files would be cool.
Scott
Message 16/24 10-May-00 @ 09:36 AM - RE: Rattling Snares
I just downloaded onedrop.mid, ragga.mid and peanut and peanut2.mid from a search of this forum.... I'll check them out tonight.....
I like to work with midi files... I love that beat mechanics shit..... so if you have any more of this midi stuff, please post' em, or let me know where I can get them.....
thanks again....
Message 17/24 10-May-00 @ 10:03 AM - RE: Rattling Snares
Message 18/24 10-May-00 @ 11:21 AM - RE: Rattling Snares
Cheers for all your help
Scott
Message 19/24 10-May-00 @ 01:51 PM - RE: Rattling Snares
this site rocks.
Message 20/24 11-May-00 @ 03:30 AM - RE: Rattling Snares
Message 21/24 11-May-00 @ 07:07 AM - RE: Rattling Snares
moooo. moooo
Message 22/24 11-May-00 @ 08:55 AM - RE: Rattling Snares
then listen to that Photek track again
Message 23/24 11-May-00 @ 09:02 AM - RE: Rattling Snares
Message 24/24 11-May-00 @ 09:08 AM - RE: Rattling Snares
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